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So the severe category is for heart disease and spinal injuries but no other lifelong conditions. What about the people on light touch now ? At least with the 10 years labour light touch it seems to be according to how your condition affects you and your assessor . This seems worse not an improvement
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Hi Catherine, Just to clarify, I posted the link along with my thoughts underneath. These were simply my personal opinions based on what I've read, not any official stance from the government.
Frankly, I’m appalled by how they’re handling this. Their approach to sick and disabled people feels utterly dismissive. Despite today’s publication, I’m still left wondering who will actually qualify under the Severe Conditions Criteria. I had hoped for clarity, but instead, we seem to be stuck in the same flawed system, medical assessments that lean on subjective opinions from assessors rather than concrete, transparent guidelines.
What’s even more infuriating is the government’s claim that 200,000 people will qualify. How can they possibly arrive at that number when the criteria remain vague? The only way they could confidently state that figure is if they already have a predetermined idea of who fits into this category. Whether that’s based on internal modelling, specific conditions they won’t disclose, or a quiet narrowing of eligibility, they clearly have data but they’re refusing to share it. It’s as if they’ve set the threshold behind closed doors, ensuring that only a certain number of people will be accepted, rather than truly assessing based on need.
This secrecy breeds suspicion. It makes me wonder how many individuals with severe needs will be unfairly excluded, not because their conditions are not serious enough, but simply because they don’t align with some hidden, arbitrary definition. That isn’t policy, it’s a betrayal of the people who need this support the most.
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Those that can work should, we all agree with that, but if this was the real reason, then they would put the help in place first.
I can take a hit if I have to, but I hate being lied to.
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I don't know which conditions are in the severe category, have you got a link to them squirrel? I'm also on a light touch review from 2019 to 2029 with enhanced for both parts I scored 13 for living but could easily lose some points on review.
edit - yes I've just seen where it says that about heart disease.
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I said exactly this . If they reckon 200,00 they’ve worked it out . If you check out bellatango above it says from the guardian it’s heart diseases and spinal injuries.
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It’s in the post you shared Bella . I also have 13 points for living though no 4? Points and it’s for two years increased to three by dwp .
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I think we can safely say that they are not 😅 this will be a chaotic disaster and they are sleepwalking into it
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@secretsquirrel1 do you just get pip for living, no mobility?
Think I read somewhere (I might be wrong) that if you receive enhanced for both on review then it's changed to ongoing award with a light touch review. I was first awarded for 4 years and about a year before that was due to end I was told they had looked at it again and it was changed to an ongoing award and wouldn't be looked at again til after oct 2029. I'm 52
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Couldn't agree more
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Where does the Bill state this?
"The bill will cut personal independence payments (Pips) for more than 800,000 people with disabilities, as well as carers’ support for 150,000 people who care for them. Claimants only able to wash half of their body or who are unable to cook a meal for themselves will no longer be able to claim Pips unless they have another limiting condition."
A person unable to prepare and cook a simple one course meal from fresh ingredients meets the 8- point descriptor.
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Hi Bella , I get enhanced for both. I originally had standard care and enhanced mobility after fighting two years to upper tribunal. Then my last assessor lower mobility to standard and increased my care to enhanced . I was advised badly as I went MR for mobility and said to my advisor I want to ask for a longer award as assessor gave 2,years but dwp awarded 3. My advisor said no , wait to see what they say first . Advisor failed to send my new information in so they failed my MR. I called them and asked about tribunal and they said they’d just received the information I had sent so they sent it back to my case manager who immediately reinstated my enhanced. Had I asked for longer I may of got it . So when you had enhanced for both they originally gave you a short award time then increased it ? Did they say why if you don’t mind me asking . There seems to be a mystery around 10 year awards as I’ve also heard that enhanced both should get them
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There was a link to guardian at the bottom though I’m not subscribed.
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You're absolutely right. These reforms offer little to help people like us. The Severe Conditions Criteria remain vague, with no clear list of qualifying conditions. The government claims that 200,000 people will be protected, yet we have no idea who they are referring to. They clearly have something in mind, but we are being left in the dark. Conditions such as fibromyalgia and ME, both incurable, may not be recognised under the criteria.
Even more frustrating is the fact that if they can estimate 200,000 people, they must already have set criteria or a list of qualifying conditions. So why not be transparent? Keeping this information hidden only raises more questions. As for "light touch" reviews, they seem about as rare as a politician giving a straight answer.
The criteria mention factors such as whether someone will always meet the LCWRA standard, if the condition is lifelong, if there is no realistic chance of improvement, and if it is diagnosed by an NHS professional. Yet in practice, everything depends on how individual assessors interpret these points. Without clear and consistent guidance, fairness simply cannot be guaranteed.
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According to what Bella posted they’ve said conditions such as heart disease and spinal injuries which is random. She also mentioned enhanced for both getting light touch awards . I have enhanced but only after MR for mobility. If you add MS, ME, fibromyalgia MD autism etc etc that’s nearer a million than 200, 00
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Of course they won't be able to explain it. All they would do is send you their usual collection of automated words. Speaking for myself, I don't take any lesson on what is or isn't offensive from Scope or anyone else by any means. They can have their own dictionary, I use conventional dictionaries.
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Sounds like you've really been put through the mill squirell.
Heres a link to my post about the letter I received
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Hello
I can’t read all the above nor take it in, has any decisions been made in concrete regarding pip etc please ?
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Liz kendall dares to call cutting social security payments to some of the poorest and most vulnerable people in the country compassion and dignity!
This is literally adding insult to injury.
This woman is the perfect embodiment of evil!
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Funny it was after a conversation about the assessors though 🤷♀️
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No today wasn’t a vote so nothing new
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