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  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,182 Championing
    edited June 2025

    I have been trying to distract myself from all of this as much as I can because otherwise it can become completely time consuming and I refuse to let that happen.

    I live in a beautiful place, the weather has been great this week and I have sat outside overlooking the sea.

    I hope you all manage to have a good weekend.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 297 Empowering

    This worries me Zips. I am not mega loaded, wish I was, then I could live on my basic state pension plus Zillions in savings lol 😁I live alone and because of my complicated circumstances I am £3 odd above the threshold for pension credit ugh, mind you I would prefer to stay as I am rather than have to tell pension credit every time I need to ''spend a penny'' 😆 I just hope if they do go down that route that the threshold is not a stupidly low one like PC and the original Labour WFP. Something else to add to the long list of Labours hatred of the disabled and old, we really must all be an obnoxious burden in their eyes 🙄

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    What they’re doing makes no sense especially if they say they’re trying to get people to work. This would prove they’re lying as more people won’t be able to work.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 297 Empowering

    True 😡It is a stupid proposal, if it does become one. PIP helps folk to work and stay in work, so now if folk work plus get PIP and that means they go over the threshold they take their PIP away plus the car they use to get to work, that disabled person now cannot work, has lost PIP and the merry go round starts again. Crazy, crackers, the lot of them 😦

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I really don’t think they know what they’re doing. They just seem to look back at the Tory’s and copy them . I actually had a reply from starmers office a copy of days before the parliamentary talk last Wednesday. First thing they said was it’s the Tory’s fault. Gave a load of rubbish but whoever wrote it didn’t sign their name just from the office of …

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 297 Empowering

    I really think they are trying to squeeze the air right out of every disabled person no matter who that person is or what disability the person has. I truly believe they see us as a wholly obnoxious section of society that must be ''Dealt'' with one way or the other. Yes, the Tory rhetoric shines through on all these proposals and anticipated proposals. My Great Grandfather is no longer rolling in his grave he is hopefully walking amongst those in power who despise us so much and is going give them hell 😡

  • rach_90
    rach_90 Community Member Posts: 38 Contributor

    I could be wrong… but with the means testing PIP that seems to have come from a freedom of information request from the DWP. it could be that it was something that was considered by the DWP. I think by law it has to be shared, even if the idea itself was shelved.

    It doesn’t mean that it might not happen in the future. Probably not now… labour can’t just slip it into the bill, or DWP just decide to implement it. I know DNS is a source of information for most of us, and is dedicated to disabled news, but it’s also a journalist outlet and they tend to sensualise news. It’s just scaremongering at this point making this time worse for us, not good for our MH.

    We can only deal with the facts and put pressure on our MPs and respond to green paper by the 30th June.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,633 Championing

    If they can't get you one way - they will do via another way…

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    And they’re voting in assisted dying and scrapping vagrant laws to give us options ? How nice of them.

    I’d prefer Tory’s over this lot . They spoke of doing thing but at the end of the day they held a full consultation and they didn’t make things water tight as this lot . You can tell Labour are serious where Tory’s just seemed to try to do something to stay in power .

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,633 Championing
    edited June 2025

    According to the UK government’s Department for Work & Pensions (DWP), the number of new Personal Independence Payment (PIP) claims has risen significantly in recent years:

    • 41,000 new claims per month in 2019, increasing to 74,000 per month in 2024
      • That equates to roughly 2,467 new claims each day in 2024.

    NB This is "claims" - not successful claims

    Based on the most recent official DWP figures in the PIP Statistics to January 2025 report:

    The DWP publishes monthly (for new PIP claims) and quarterly (for DLA reassessments → PIP) statistics reddit.com+1gov.uk+1. The latest quarterly volume isn't broken down by month in the publicly released data, but we can estimate:

    • Between October 2024 and January 2025, if the number of DLA-to-PIP reassessments made steady progress (similar to the 24,000 in the quarter ending October 2024), that averages around:
      • ≈ 24,000 transfers per quarter
      • ≈ 8,000 per month

    However, this is necessarily a rough estimate, as exact monthly breakdowns aren’t published. The best available data uses quarterly totals.

  • Dianaf
    Dianaf Community Member Posts: 110 Empowering

    Rebels lives are probably being threatened not just their jobs.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    A human rights lawyer threatening of no promotion and basically the sack if they don’t agree with him . In an employment tribunal he would be fined . He clearly doesn’t believe in democracy so should be disbarred.

    What does contingency plans mean if it has to be pulled ? Do they mean scrap the whole bill ?

  • SadOldPanda
    SadOldPanda Community Member Posts: 37 Empowering

    God I swear this and other things are really messing with my head, I'm seriously considering having my meds increased for the second time since the green paper came out just to stay sane. I'm living in a permanent state of utter dread and terror it's like they are purposely trying to drive us to the brink!

    Let's all laugh at the irony of how much much this has cost 'working people' in taxes with my medication increases and extra doctors visits. I wish there was a way to see how much extrawe've had to use the NHS since this started

  • SadOldPanda
    SadOldPanda Community Member Posts: 37 Empowering

    Remember when he said country before party during the election? Yet another lie

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    So if the bill gets scrapped before it goes to the vote they need to find another way of getting that £5 billion ?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    I can’t believe the cheek of them all . Posing with waspi women then stabbing them in the back , claiming they’d scrap uc as it’s demeaning. Literally could go on all day with the things they’ve all said. Now in office they’re all completely the opposite. So why vote down everything the Tory’s did when they so obviously believed in the Tory ideals ?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing

    Not sure what to make of it but Daily express running two reports claiming Starmer would like to u turn but Reeves has added it in to her savings . I can’t post the link but wonder if it’s another “ leak “

  • Tumilty
    Tumilty Community Member Posts: 506 Empowering

    Seems to me if they shifting the goal posts so you can't score the points it's like them saying you were lying in the past.

    If yer got pip before for the condition you have and now you don't but nothing has changed then the last years people didn't warrant it. Crazy.

  • bellatango
    bellatango Community Member Posts: 124 Empowering
    edited June 2025

    Keir Starmer needs £5bn to stop Labour civil war - but Rachel Reeves just spent it!

    PM Keir Starmer is facing a massive revolt from Labour MPs that threatens his Parliamentary majority.

    He’d love to buy them off, but thanks to Rachel Reeves, he can’t afford to do so. That's because the savings have effectively been spent, even before they're banked.

    In a bid to plug the black hole in the nation’s finances, the Chancellor announced in her Spring Statement that she would slash £5billion from disability benefits.

    That includes tightening eligibility for the personal independence payment (PIP), cutting sickness-related universal credit, and restricting access for under-22s.

    The backlash has been fierce.

    Critics claim the government is taking cash from people who struggle to get out of bed, let alone into work.

    Around 80 Labour MPs may rebel, just short of the 83 needed to wipe out Starmer’s majority of 165.

    At least a dozen government figures are threatening to resign if the vote, due on 1 July, goes ahead.

    The mood is turning ugly as Starmer refuses to make any further concessions. Labour whips are getting tough, warning rebels they’ll be blacklisted from ministerial jobs.

    Starmer has already been forced into a U-turn over the winter fuel payment. This time, though, Reeves has made that impossible.

    The money’s already gone.

    Don't miss... Rachel Reeves pushes us £17.7bn closer to bankruptcy - Labour calls it stability [LATEST]

    Reeves has lost her grip on the nation’s finances. She left herself with just £9.9billion of fiscal headroom after October’s budget – despite pulling in £40billion of extra tax.

    That’s because she spent an extra £30billion, and waved through huge public sector pay rises without asking for any productivity in return.

    She borrowed £20.2billion in April, and another £17.7billion in May. Month by month, we are heading closer to bankruptcy.

    Reeves is blaming the Tories, global instability and Trump tariffs, but this is her mess. The economy is shrinking, inflation refuses to fall and her tax hikes have backfired.

    Her Budget national insurance raid on employers has helped destroy 275,000 jobs. Her clampdown on wealthy non-doms risks driving money and talent out of the country, and lose the Treasury more than it gains.

    The Iran war is a wildcard, especially if it sends the oil price soaring.

    Now the disability savings are on the line too. That £5billion has already been baked into her figures. Without it, her numbers don’t add up.

    If Starmer backs down, Reeves will need to find the money from somewhere else.

    Most experts already think further tax hikes are coming in October, possibly as much as £24billion to £30billion.

    She may now need to add another £5billion to that.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing
    edited June 2025

    Thanks Bella ,

    I wonder if it’s all bs or starmer getting ready to stab reeves in the back again. 🙏🤞

    I noticed daily express were posting articles about how to get pip etc days before the pip uc speech Wednesday.

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