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  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
    edited June 2025

    If these reforms go through I hope at least the severe criteria applies to us and everyone will conditions that won’t improve . They could save money by stopping these reassessments. I was discussing this Friday and yesterday with Chiaried who explained what they think about it . If you’re up to it check out the conversation to see what you think .

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Bless you I watch starmer reeves kendell and rayner that's a horror in its self as luvpink said all your illnesses have been diagnosed maybe they might recognise the information more if that makes sense I'm seeing psychiatrist on Wednesday which is hard because I go onto masking mode and imposter syndrome can't win oh it's hot I can't stand it

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    I remember at school a friend got stuck down with glandular fever and we visit her as was off for months and she was in a dark room we spent about 20 minutes and her mum said she was tired so we left I remember feeling so so upset for her I left school early so I never knew if she returned

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Ps 28 years later is on pictures that is one I will be looking forward too trying to watch black mirror can't focus

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 4,258 Championing

    Yeah I agree our conditions are severe and life long with no effective treatment or cure and I have often said that money could be saved by stopping these ridiculous degrading assessments.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I wonder how she is now . First time I got it I didn’t know what it was GP was useless. I had flare ups of bad throat every month for about 6 months. So sore couldn’t even drink water .

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Honestly I don’t understand all this nonsense the governments , Tory and Labour , sprout out about making it so we need a diagnosis. Considering the amount of medical evidence we all have and how hard we fight for pip I can’t see how anyone could possibly get pip without a diagnosis. Just another media and government lie

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Just awful stress doesn't help this has been years I think you same as me since sunak speech 2023 on high alert I try to distract myself reeves doing u turn on nom doms all u turns except this kendell reeves won't have it reeves husband works for dwp says it all really

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Starmer panicking I think though . He’s apparently told all MPs they have to vote when before he said they can abstain. He must think he doesn’t have enough support as he’s threatening them now

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Hoping the ones who was going to abstain come to the thinking of voting against it or are on the fence I feel he's basically saying you will come and vote this in I can imagine the psychological pressure they are applying it's absolutely sickening I thought tories changed the way of politics but this one has brought so many back alley under handed ways to push his agenda I still can't get my head around the legal sick of it all I emailed good law project 5 times no response where as I'm the beginning of all this they did respond I think all we can do is hope get the proper support from gps I'm coming of sleeping tablets wrong time to do me thinks I'm so in awe of people who get about thier daily life's this has floored me but still keep emailing glad to see my mp didn't vote for assisted dying bill wes street whatever his name is said NHS didn't have funds for it which is good but why go through all the voting the mind boggles

  • bellatango
    bellatango Online Community Member Posts: 130 Empowering

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14835223/Labour-rebels-Left-wing-socialist-party-welfare-cuts.html

    Labour rebels could jump ship to form Left-wing 'real socialist' party amid anger over proposed welfare cuts?

    Sir Keir Starmer faces the threat of a new left-wing 'real socialist' party amid mounting anger from Labour backbenchers over controversial welfare cuts.

    The Mail on Sunday has learnt that disaffected Labour backbenchers are already being approached to consider joining a new 'radical Left' political movement.

    Sources said that to inflict maximum damage on Sir Keir, the proposed new party – master-minded by supporters of ex-Labour leader Jeremy Corbyn - could be launched during Labour's national conference this Autumn.

    The plans emerged amid forecasts that so angry are Labour backbenchers at their Government's plan to slash disability benefits, that scores of MPs could refuse to back it at next month's crucial Commons vote.

    Talk of the new party also comes just days after Mr Corbyn – who now sits as an Independent MP – said he was 'determined there will be, in short time, a strong alternative democratic socialist, left-wing voice that brings people together'.

    However, it is understood that Mr Corbyn himself may not himself lead the new party, with sources suggesting that role should go to a younger figure such as Coventry South MP Zarah Sultana, currently suspended from the Parliamentary part for voting to scrap the two-child benefit cap.

    The spectre of a break-away left-wing movement comes with Sir Keir potentially facing the biggest rebellion of his premiership so far over plans which could mean cutting personal independence payments (PIP), the main disability payment in England and Wales, for about 800,000 people.

    So worried is Sir Keir that Labour whips have reportedly threatened that anyone who simply abstained would never get a ministerial job while MPs voting against would lose the Party whip.

    Last night, one senior Labour MP said those reports were 'rubbish' and cautioned that if the revolt was huge, it would not be possible to suspend '100 or so MPs'.

    Even moderate backbenchers have privately vented their anger at the cuts while Left-winger Andy McDonald has branded the proposals 'a huge attack on the incomes of disabled people'.

    However, the Daily Mail highlighted last week how spending on sickness benefits was on course to rocket by £18 billion a year to reach £70 billion by the next general election if nothing was done to trim the bill.

    Work and Pensions Secretary Liz Kendall has warned that the country's benefits system faced collapse if costs continued to escalate.

    Long-mooted plans for the new party are understood to have accelerated in the last few weeks amid mounting anger among Labour backbenchers over government policy, including the now-abandoned decision to scrap Winter Fuel payments for many pensioners and the proposed disability benefit cuts.

    And last weekend, Mr Corbyn, already part of a five-strong 'Independent Alliance' group at Westminster, appeared to acknowledge that people's frustration that 'we didn't found a new political party' would soon be answered.

    Sources close to the ex-Labour leader also told this newspaper that there were now 'very, very active discussions' about setting up the new movement.

    However, they dismissed reports that the party would be called 'Arise' after a former Corbyn aide registered such a party with the Electoral Commission just over a week ago.

    Last night, Starmer allies played down any threat from such a new party, suggesting 'a couple of ' current Labour MPs were more likely to defect to the Greens than join a Corbynsta-style group.

    But one longstanding Labour MP said: 'It's all very well for Starmer's acolytes to dismiss the threat of a proper socialist party but the PM is playing with fire.

    'After the winter fuel fiasco and now this attack on disability benefits, he's leaving a vacuum on the Left of British politics and someone's going to fill it.' 

    Mr Corbyn was originally suspended from Labour in 2020 after claiming the scale of antisemitism in the party had been overstated and later expelled for standing as an Independent against an official Labour candidate.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    And he said he wanted to lead a government with transparency 😂 . Worst PM ever and they know it

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I read elsewhere that the rebels said let Starmer take away the whip and we’ll just start another party . I really think if he continues he could finish Labour off for good

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    What nobody is calling reeves out on is she's saying she's already spent 5 billion ???? Hasn't even gone to vote yet that's a disgusting excuse they certainly didn't expect all the backlash I believe they thought everyone would love this punish the scroungers they went to far literally including every debilitating illness no one was spared I feel a tide changing I think mps will not be told and bullied as much as we have had the rug pulled from us alot of them have too from The shinning photo taken when first won all smiles hope and even excitement that they could make a change to gaza to farmers to elderly to disabled to taxes everyone has woken up well slapped round the face labour made enemies the minute they opened thier mouths people had enough of be ruled by millionaires we will always be the loser so proud of people fighting back

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Anxiety and depression can be signs of other mental health problems people who can advocate fro themselves are lucky like myself I have no problem expressing myself had a friend god rest his soul he suffered so deeply he couldn't open up never seen doctor just self medicated so his medical history very spars I'm convinced he had bpd and definitely adhd with crushing depression anxiety alcohol was his medicine he passed away age 50 so so sad he was a kind soul only person he hurt was himself I tried to help as his partner did as well so alot of people go under the radar and suffer badly

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Online Community Member Posts: 9,796 Championing

    Lead cloak and dagger have to be a mind reader to make out what's coming next

  • bellatango
    bellatango Online Community Member Posts: 130 Empowering
    edited June 2025

    Labour’s cruel severe conditions criteria

     Published: 22 June 2025

    labour’s cruel “severe conditions criteria” (SCC) plan is not designed to protect seriously ill claimants as the government claims, it is intended to save money at their expense.  Because tens of thousands of claimants too ill to ever work again will be forced to live for years on half the additional payment that current claimants receive.

    The SCC are part of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill and are intended to be a concession to Labour MPs concerned about the effect of the cuts on disabled claimants.

    From April 2026, new claimants who meet the SCC will not have to face future reassessments for health element of universal credit, though they will still be reassessed for personal independence payment (PIP).

    At the same time, Labour is almost halving the limited capability for work-related activity (LCWRA) element payable to new claimants, but claimants with LCWRA who also meet the SCC will get the full amount.

    The SCC qualifying conditions

    The current qualifying conditions for LCWRA require one of a number of descriptors to apply to the claimant “for the majority of the time”.  For example: 

    • Cannot pick up and move a 0.5 litre carton full of liquid.
    • Cannot press a button(such as a telephone keypad) with either hand or; cannot turn the pages of a book with either hand.
    • Cannot cope with any change, due to cognitive impairment or mental disorder, to the extent that day-to-day life cannot be managed.

    The severe conditions criteria require claimants to meet the same criteria “constantly”.

    Constantly is defined in the Bill as “at all times” or “on all occasions on which the claimant undertakes or attempts to undertake the activity”.

    However, many degenerative conditions such as Parkinson’s, multiple sclerosis and muscular dystrophy follow a slow path of decreasing ability, with periods of remission.  So, most days you may be unable to turn the pages of a book, but you may have occasional good days when you can do so.

    Or your manual dexterity may be better first thing in the morning but get rapidly worse as fatigue sets in.

    At the moment, a claimant in these circumstances would get the full LCWRA amount, which from April 2026 will be £423.27 a month, because they meet the descriptor for the majority of the time.

    However from April 2026, new LCWRA claimants in the same position will only get around half this amount, £217.26, because they do not meet the descriptor constantly.

    But the same claimant will never improve, their condition will only get worse.  So, if they are already unable to work because of a degenerative disease, they will never be able to work again in the future. 

    Under Labour’s new rules, however, they will have to exist on half the LCWRA element, possibly for years after there is no chance of their ever being able to work again, until they can show that they are constantly unable to carry out an activity, rather than just for the majority of the time.

    So, far from guaranteeing  that people who will never work again are supported, the SCC guarantees that they will live  on a severely reduced income for years, until their degenerative disease enters its most debilitating stage.

    For some conditions, including some severe mental illnesses, there may never be a time when the claimant is certain not to have periods of remission, so they may never get the full LCWRA award.

    How long will protection last?

    The SCC are claimed to protect claimants from ever being assessed again. But, as noted above, people who meet the SCC can still be reassessed for PIP.

    From 2028, Labour are planning to abolish the work capability assessment (WCA) and make receipt of PIP daily living the gateway for the UC health element.  But they have repeatedly failed to explain what will happen to someone who meets the SCC if they lose their PIP daily living award on review.

    Will they still be able to claim UC health even though they no longer meet the basic qualifying conditions?  If not, then the SCC guarantee may only last a few years, rather than a lifetime as Labour claims.

    Peace of mind

    In unveiling the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill, Liz Kendall claimed that it “represents a new social contract and marks the moment we take the road of compassion, opportunity and dignity.  This will give people peace of mind, while also fixing our broken social security system so it supports those who can work to do so while protecting those who cannot. . .”

    In reality, the Bill simply seeks every opportunity to take more money from disabled claimants, whilst telling them it really is in their own best interests.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Hi chiarieds,

    Belletango just posted this and it explains what the severe criteria means. They’re making a distinction between getting lcwra and getting the award under the new criteria which is the descriptor must be met constantly. As you say how can they show you fit the criteria constantly? I get leg pains every day , wake up with it ( fibromyalgia) and go to sleep with it . In between it fluctuates due to pain medication and if I’m able to go outside. If I do go out I won’t go out again for days or more due to worsening symptoms so how can that be proven by me ? I can’t see how anyone can fit this criteria as we can’t have the same level of symptoms 24/7 . Then of course there’s pain meds , does that mean you won’t fit the criteria? Reading it it seems to me that it will be more brutal than the current 10 Year light touch as this as Kendall says will be non negotiable so an assessor won’t be able to use their discretion and award it . I think they’ve put this out there to look good but actually they’ll just scrap the long awards while pretending they are replacing them with the severe category that no one can pass . I’ll post a couple of the screenshots that bellatango posted earlier. I hope I’m wrong on this .

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