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Yes, they did originally, but right now Badenoch is keeping her cards close to her chest and not revealing what she and the Tories intend to do. If they have sense, they will vote against the bill, because it weakens Starmer's position further and is a potential way to rise up in the polls. But I am not sure if the current Tory leadership have the guile to play the long game like that, knowing that the benefit conversation won't go away even if this bill is killed.

One other thing she could do is give her MPs a free vote, although that risks dividing the party and making them look weak and unmanaged. So I suspect this won't happen.

It will all depend on whether they see more benefits to themselves to support the cuts or to oppose them. Remember, they have no chance to be in power for at least 4 years, so there's no real need for them to support a bill that will mostly be enacted by the time they have another shot at the ballot box. It would also be a way to define themselves against Reform, potentially shifting disabled voters and those who are on benefits to them and not to Reform.

But again, this is all tactics and speculation, there's no reason to assume the current Tories will think that way.

We'll see. It rests with Sir Lindsay Hoyle first, although if there are that many people supporting it, it would be undemocratic for him not to put it to the house.

Meanwhile, my local MP is a Tory. I haven't seen much point in pushing him about the cuts given that fact, but I have just emailed him about the amendment, because if Tory MPs know their constituents have an interest in the bill, they might be swayed.

Long shot but worth a try. Suggest anyone else living in a Tory constituency does the same.

Don't get it - is that something he says?? 😊😅

So 119 Labour MPs and counting who have true Labour policies at heart.

If it gets the desired outcome, we should probably just run with it.

At least we will know this evening

No @Catherine21 The 2nd Reading is still on 1 July.

Whether the House votes on the Bill will be determined by whether the Speaker accepts the ammendment. If he give it the go ahead, the House will vote on the ammendment. If it passes, there won't be a vote on the Bill. The Bill is stalled. If the ammendment is refused by the Speaker or fails to get enough votes, the House will vote on the Bill.

I think there are 119 MPs' names on the ammendment. It could be that the government will withdraw the Bill before next week but I doubt it. They are too stupidly arrogant.

Yeh well aren't they along with Mel Stride even more up for benefit cuts than Labour

Given how many Labour MPs tend to be cowards that refuse to take the decisive action required, (like most British people regarding politics), i do not expect this rebellion to materialise.

after all, these are the same people that supported the assisted dying bill (and the fact that even exists is reason enough alone to oppose these cuts, yet alone assisted dying while disabled people still have to fight to survive).