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Hi MW ,
There’s talk of a money bill again, do you think it’s going that way now ? Where do we stand now , are we in a strong position or is the possible amendment not enough to save us
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I emailed Grahame Morris to thank him for adding his name to that list and ststicking to his word. Along with Vicky Foxcroft, he is one of the few Labour politicians that have old school Labour values, looking after the underdog.
A very kind and compassionate man.
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If the Bill passes its Second Reading, MPs have minimal time to consider any concessionary ammendment properly irrespective of input from constituents. I'm shattered that this appears to be a Money Bill... assuming the Guardian is correct. That reduces my hope that the reasoned ammendment will be accepted by the Speaker. I can open hope that this filthy business infuriates MPs of all persuasions.
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I am at a loss to understand why "The Guardian" accepts the Bill's status as a Money Bill. Insight anybody?
https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/money-bills/money-bills
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It seems to have started with that letter signed by Corbyn but I’ve never seen anything from the government to say it is . What don’t understand is how he can rush it through in a day , isnt it against the rules ? He simply doesn’t listen to people.
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Also no mention of money bill on the benefits and works news page?
whatever happends it wont end well for starmer either way.
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Hi @Zipz & everyone. I've just been reading through what actually was said by Lucy Powell (Leader of the House of Commons) which can be seen here: https://hansard.parliament.uk/commons/2025-06-26/debates/A9581D57-D918-4312-9328-F953EB8D9253/BusinessOfTheHouse
Another hyperlink that didn't work, so please copy the above & paste into your browser. The following dates were the relevant dates given:
Tuesday 1 July—Second Reading of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.
Wednesday 9 July—Committee of the whole House and remaining stages of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.
Lucy Powell said when questioned about the welfare Bill,
'As I have just announced to the House, the Second Reading of the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill will take place next Tuesday, and the remaining stages of the Bill will take place on the Floor of the House the following week. I want to reassure colleagues that we take parliamentary scrutiny and the process of Bills extremely seriously. That is what our parliamentary democracy is all about: Bills are introduced; principles are considered at Second Reading; and the details receive robust debate and discussion, and are often amended in Committee, before we consider Third Reading. As the House would expect, the Government actively engage with parliamentary opinion throughout a Bill’s passage, as we are doing intensively with the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill.'
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Apparently it’s 126 labour plus other parties. I hope it’s enough to stop it completely 🤞
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doesn’t say what the concessions are
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The guardian
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He's won
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yep
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He's got his way then, what an evil monster he is, cowards the lot of them.
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Wonder what the concessions are . They refused the first lot so maybe he has given in a lot just to save himself 🤞. It did say something about multiple conditions
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The only thing that would have saved us is if they scrapped it
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I know
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The proof is in the pudding, at the end of the day the point of this bill is to spitefully cut benefits.
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Very much doubt the concessions will be in our favour. Probably more job coaches.
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There is still a chance the vote might not get through on tuesday, the conservatives will probably more likley to vote down the bill now.
However i wonder what these ''significant changes'' are.
It would be better if it was scrapped but i hope they not gone with the 3 point rule with pip
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