Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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I haven't seen him on the daily mail, but to say stuff like he has he cannot really be claiming PIP .
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This is exactly how i interpreted it from the start, that those in support group ESA will be literally thrown under a bus. Deleted from existence. It’s all about PIP.
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^^^
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Thats fine.
I don't have any recent letters but I sent letters from the past because its verified medical evidence and though technically medical evidence isn't required, I have always been asked if I have been medically diagnosed to which I answered yes I sent evidence and it was referred to in my decision reports.
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I would be delighted if this happened
I hope this is true
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NNeed loads more before Tuesday so they can take to government
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So I just got a letter from DWP telling me that my existing claim expires in December 2025, I got PIP under SR as I was terminal at the time, had an emergency transplant which bought me some time and my medication although keeping me alive is killing me.
There is nothing about a review it tells me that I have to make a new claim for PIP, does this then mean I then have to claim on the new system as in have 4 points for a daily living category with all the new rules, or does that only apply to new people claiming.0 -
Morning luv pink , I’ve . always got a GP letter too , in fact I have one from years ago which says my condition is chronic with poor prognosis .
It says on the form not to get a gp letter though. It’s all really confusing as I have heard some people are getting review forms with 89 pages and others the AR1 form which I have .
Regarding the concessions I watched dynamic duo and he said that we will not be subject to the 4? Point rule in future as we are on file as a claimant for 6! Years even if we lose pip as they the assessor looks back at our previous report. Obviously not agreeing to the new Keir two tier idea but I keep reading that the concession will only be for a few years and it’s a trick . I can’t understand it at all . Hope this makes sense and brain fog is bad and my phones acting the same as my brain right now 😂
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it’s doing my head in too, people on here say we are not protected but government do. Don’t know what to think, just making me worry more and more
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I don’t understand after this almost brought the government down ( may be a bit dramatic here) how they would trick the MPs who started the amendment. Surely the 126 rebels are all stupid ? Not that I trust the Labour government at all but look at the backlash . And regarding the two tier system, it shows that the rebels were only interested in saving their seats with the current claimants. They aren’t interested in the future claimants as right now the voters who are healthy are not thought to be interested in pip at the moment. Obviously that doesn’t include those on DLA or children. But that seems to be their thinking, including Meg hillier . IMO
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I asked my MP yesterday, if it’s already been decided that current PIP claimants won’t be affected, why the rush to legislate before the consultation even ends on 30 June? Voting on the Bill the very next day undermines the entire process.
It would make far more sense to consult thoroughly on the proposed changes to PIP and bring forward legislation only once that process is complete, so that all elements are considered together, transparently and fairly.
It’s clear this is about locking in savings early so Rachel Reeves can bank the figures for her next budget.
While the government claims existing PIP recipients are protected from the new rules starting in November 2026, this is not a permanent safeguard. The exemption only applies at the outset, and there’s no firm commitment that current claimants won’t be reassessed under the new criteria in future.
This isn’t genuine protection, it’s a delay, designed to defuse opposition while quietly embedding long term cuts. Once the Bill is passed, any future amendments to PIP criteria will have to work within its framework, not challenge it. If the Bill is halted, there’s still a chance to shape the entire package properly.
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Thank you
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Hi @Trevor_PIP - Please see:
This is said about PIP overpayments:
'The Personal Independence Payment overpayment rate was at the lowest recorded level of 0.4% (£90m) in FYE 2024, compared with 1.1% (£200m) in FYE 2023, which was a statistically significant decrease.'
[Fraud was 0.0%, whilst DWP official error in underpayment was 0.4%]
Yes, I'd read there was a small trial also looking at PIP claimants bank accounts, tho the DWP seem to be looking to test UC, Pension Credit & ESA where 'incorrect payments are currently the highest':
Undoubtably during the Covid-19 pandemic there were criminals fraudulently claiming UC. But, & this is just my personal opinion, whilst even some of our members have made errors & we always say to let the DWP know about their genuine mistakes asap, such errors are a far cry from actual benefit fraud. I'll leave it there.
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Starmer seems very keen on AI to help people work and a young man I know who lives next door to me, said that AI is going to make one person work as fast as 3. I have a horrid feeling that AI will assist UC / PIP assessments really fast in the future. Everyone loves how fast things are done. So Perhaps they will be able to meet the demands of assessing new claimants and old alike easily in the future. This really unnerves me.
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This was an interesting read. Specifically "Getting it right is more important than ploughing on with a package which doesn't necessarily achieve the desired outcome." Remaining hopeful…
Starmer says he was 'heavily focused' on world affairs before U-turn on welfare
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Some mps putting more admendments on Monday hopefully stop Tuesday this needs stopping one it's a money bill two when timms finishes up writing pip in 2028 ? They can change at any time obviously they will change 4 point rule for everyone 5 it's not fair for other people who have disabilities and they will get us all in the end I've emailed lidsey hoyle few times and many other mps say vote against it's a trap we literally have today tomorrow
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Me too AI will take over many jobs this is why I believe they know what's happening and how many be unemployed so they are desperately trying to stop the availability they have plans even money we must be one step ahead cash is king let's hope these admendments tomorrow stop the bill
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I wouldn't email the Speaker. His function is to defend the powers of an elected House of Commons (despite some rum MPs) against their being overwhelmed by the Government. The Speaker will make up his mind about the selection of ammendments and whether this will proceed as a money bill as the Government expect because I think words to that effect are on Tuesday's Order Paper in consultation with officials of the House with an expert knowledge of procedure.
I hope there are worthy ammendments tabled.
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The only number i know is what the government says, 1,000 people are being added to PIP every day. That's 365,000 extra PIP claimants being added every year. Do you think the welfare system can sustain these numbers? Let's say claims average out at about £1800 per month in overall benefit payments, that's about £8bn a year more.
I don't know what percentage of claims are from dishonest people. I do find it hard to believe 365,000 new people are becoming disabled every year. But even if these are all genuine cases, then we're going to have to accept harsher conditions like vouchers and cuts to LCRWA and PIP. Taxpayers cannot sustain £8bn+ a year, every year, more being spent on benefits. It's just the reality of the situation.
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I see your point. However, the Government make it sound as though all these people are on high rate PIP forever. Many might be entitled to standard rare, perhaps one component, whilst recovering from major surgery. These claims might be very The Government don't say how many people give up PIP when their circumstances change.
Also, why should claims average £1800 per months. I should be so lucky! No all PIP claimants claim UC.
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