Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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This is probably my last reply, as whenever I hear I know this and that person it usually makes me turn away immediately, as people on benefits usually dont advertise they on benefits as its not something to boast about. So I am not going to comment on your gym comment, but the financial number, that 34 billion isnt the cost of the increase, its the projected total increase in entire pip expenditure, it also should be looked at as a % of GDP, not as a real number.
The country can comfortably afford it, its obvious it can, we happily pay for triple lock on pensions and that is far more expensive than PIP will ever be. The issue isnt spending too much money, its not taxing enough, wasting money on vanity projects, and silly policies that are losing us 10s of billions a year such as leaving the EU. You couldnt make it up, we lose the EU workers, and then their solution to solve this workforce problem is to try and force disabled people in to jobs they cant do.
You still have ignored whats been said a few times in this thread now, about the state of the health service and other factors on the increase.
So what happens when the DWP do what you wish, and kick yourself from PIP?
The country has an issue with blaming the wrong people for bad governance, first it was the EU, then the immigrants, and now PIP claimants.
Your logic is, that if claims increase, it must mean its fraud, like ill health is something that is predictable and steady, you completely ignoring all social and public service factors.
to try and explain to you again about cost of living, there will be people who on paper qualify for benefits, but dont claim because of pride and not in desperate need of the money, they may then fall on hard times, and out of necessity then put a claim in, there is likely quite a lot of disabled people who on paper would qualify but dont claim PIP.4 -
Yes, that's why I averaged down the cost to £1800 a month. Reeves likes to pretend the almost full possible £2,100ish monthly figure is the average. The numbers claiming PIP are not really tailing off, but yes, certainly entitlements can reduce in future assessments and awards. Bottom line though, official statistics show costs are ballooning.
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16% of PIP claimants are in work, so the vast majority claim UC.
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I think the numbers are very telling. I don't understand why genuine claimants want to defend it, because those defrauding the system are the ones making it unsustainable and so much more difficult for people with real disabilities.
It is appalling they are not putting in place measures to catch and prosecute those who are defrauding the welfare system. The easy option is just hammer everyone, and that's the sledgehammer they are deploying now. It's heartbreaking that really vulnerable people are being made to suffer so much.
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I emailed him 3 times do they have to accept the admendments??
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Whatever the government says without spread sheets facts I'd take with a pinch of salt
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How comes millions unclaimed yearly what about mentioning that no they don't do they
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Definitely is being phased, it's in the bill. They have changes to LCRWA and PIP descriptors written into the bill with basically no limit on what they might do, once they make those decisions in the coming years.
The so-called concessions now are designed just to get the bill passed so they can do what they think is necessary later in terms of those other reforms.
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Which accounts are these? Pretty sure this kind of phenonemon dosen't actually exist.
And even if they do exist, that dosent change anything else i said.
better to have thousands of people claiming money they arent entitled to than one disabled person who cant access it.
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As a % of GDP, the UK government is spending the same amount on working-age benefits as it was in 2015. This stands at around 5% and is not projected to change by 2030. This is because we have seen deep cuts to benefits like Universal Credit alongside the increase in people claiming health and disability benefits.
I’ll leave this here.
if you chose to believe a Liebour government meddling with figures whilst ignoring others up to you mate.This will be my last comment to people like yourself.
All the best mate.
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Do you honestly believe the additional 365,000 PIP claimants we're forecast to add in 2025 are largely a result of long covid? FYI, I have a relative with long covid who used to be very active… and now she struggles to even play with her kids. She's had heart monitors strapped on and all sorts. So I do understand how debilitating it can be.
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People who are genuinely missing out on what they're entitled to is not an excuse for others to just help themselves because Dave made a nice tiktok explaining how to do it. Many probably choose not to claim it, because they don't need it.
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If we think it's better to have thousands of people claiming money they are not entitled to, then we shouldn't mind if we have to share our financial support (by way of cuts) with them.
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Most of the figures are produced independently of the government. But I respect we're never going to agree on this, so I wish you all the best too mate.
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Thank you for this. One reason why the British left in general - not just disability rights - continue to fail at basic politics is because so many of them behave like Trevor. Any advocate who's work isn't rooted in humanity, compassion, critical thinking, and a basic knowledge of the facts will harm others, even when they don't realise or intend to.
Also agree with this. So sorry to hear about your sister.
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AI will be a disaster for disabled people both in and out of work. Employers can - and will - use AI to replace a lot of jobs that disabled people can do (although it won't specifically target them).
The best way for anyone to survive in an AI-dominated world is to improve their soft skills and personal brand. Both these things are harder for disabled people, thanks to unconscious bias and for some, their disabilities themselves.
AI also reflects these systemic bigotries, just as it does with race. Disabled people seeking benefits - regardles of whether they work or not - will get unfairly declined.
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Nope. If people are claiming money they aren't entitled to, that in itself is a sign of a broken society. It dosen't pay to work in the UK due to this country's regressive taxation system, so of course people will find a way to survive. this usually dosen't involve benefits though, rather legally dodging taxes. this is why many work cash in hand.
Those who can afford to share their financial support are overwhelmingly rich. their income must be cut via taxation and repossessing some of their assets. not disabled people or fraudsters
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People should really start enquiring on how much other European countries spend on disability benefits.
Some disabled person can get more than £3000 (and that’s a low calculation) a month in countries which have lower living costs.
If you don’t, you will never realise the pittance we receive in the UK in comparison.
And some are still defending the government cuts due to misinformation/withheld information etc, it’s really sickening.
I wonder which group of people will be brought forward next to the line of fire to be used as a scapegoat to hide the incompetence and corruption of the people in power.
Britain is an extremely wealthy country and no one should be poor, nor resort to food banks, nor lack the care they need, nor be homeless etc
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Let’s take for instance this grotesque new Employment Insurance the government want to bring in.
They are offering a staggering amount of little more than £400 for those who have been fired from a job or have become too ill to work.
I think it’s unclear for how long this pittance will be paid. I seem to remember reading that they were suggesting 6 months.
In other European countries is about £1200 a month and lasts for TWO years. After those two years if you are still too ill to work you can get further help, which could amount to thousands of pounds a month, plus council housing etc.
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