Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,542 Championing

    Whatever the government says without spread sheets facts I'd take with a pinch of salt

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,542 Championing

    How comes millions unclaimed yearly what about mentioning that no they don't do they

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Definitely is being phased, it's in the bill. They have changes to LCRWA and PIP descriptors written into the bill with basically no limit on what they might do, once they make those decisions in the coming years.

    The so-called concessions now are designed just to get the bill passed so they can do what they think is necessary later in terms of those other reforms.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 339 Pioneering

    Which accounts are these? Pretty sure this kind of phenonemon dosen't actually exist.

    And even if they do exist, that dosent change anything else i said.

    better to have thousands of people claiming money they arent entitled to than one disabled person who cant access it.

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 247 Pioneering
    edited June 29

    As a % of GDP, the UK government is spending the same amount on working-age benefits as it was in 2015. This stands at around 5% and is not projected to change by 2030. This is because we have seen deep cuts to benefits like Universal Credit alongside the increase in people claiming health and disability benefits.

    I’ll leave this here.
    if you chose to believe a Liebour government meddling with figures whilst ignoring others up to you mate.

    This will be my last comment to people like yourself.

    All the best mate.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Do you honestly believe the additional 365,000 PIP claimants we're forecast to add in 2025 are largely a result of long covid? FYI, I have a relative with long covid who used to be very active… and now she struggles to even play with her kids. She's had heart monitors strapped on and all sorts. So I do understand how debilitating it can be.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    People who are genuinely missing out on what they're entitled to is not an excuse for others to just help themselves because Dave made a nice tiktok explaining how to do it. Many probably choose not to claim it, because they don't need it.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    If we think it's better to have thousands of people claiming money they are not entitled to, then we shouldn't mind if we have to share our financial support (by way of cuts) with them.

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    Most of the figures are produced independently of the government. But I respect we're never going to agree on this, so I wish you all the best too mate.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 339 Pioneering

    Thank you for this. One reason why the British left in general - not just disability rights - continue to fail at basic politics is because so many of them behave like Trevor. Any advocate who's work isn't rooted in humanity, compassion, critical thinking, and a basic knowledge of the facts will harm others, even when they don't realise or intend to.

    Also agree with this. So sorry to hear about your sister.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 339 Pioneering

    AI will be a disaster for disabled people both in and out of work. Employers can - and will - use AI to replace a lot of jobs that disabled people can do (although it won't specifically target them).

    The best way for anyone to survive in an AI-dominated world is to improve their soft skills and personal brand. Both these things are harder for disabled people, thanks to unconscious bias and for some, their disabilities themselves.

    AI also reflects these systemic bigotries, just as it does with race. Disabled people seeking benefits - regardles of whether they work or not - will get unfairly declined.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,542 Championing
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  • Stellar
    Stellar Online Community Member Posts: 339 Pioneering

    Nope. If people are claiming money they aren't entitled to, that in itself is a sign of a broken society. It dosen't pay to work in the UK due to this country's regressive taxation system, so of course people will find a way to survive. this usually dosen't involve benefits though, rather legally dodging taxes. this is why many work cash in hand.

    Those who can afford to share their financial support are overwhelmingly rich. their income must be cut via taxation and repossessing some of their assets. not disabled people or fraudsters

  • alexroda
    alexroda Online Community Member Posts: 247 Pioneering

    Let’s take for instance this grotesque new Employment Insurance the government want to bring in.

    They are offering a staggering amount of little more than £400 for those who have been fired from a job or have become too ill to work. 

    I think it’s unclear for how long this pittance will be paid. I seem to remember reading that they were suggesting 6 months.


    In other European countries is about £1200 a month and lasts for TWO years. After those two years if you are still too ill to work you can get further help, which could amount to thousands of pounds a month, plus council housing etc.

  • Chris75_
    Chris75_ Online Community Member Posts: 3,131 Championing

    The grilling will be akin to the one Gus would give me.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 3,230 Championing

    How do you work that out? A PIP claimant in a good job could easily have savings of £16K plus. Therefore, no UC.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 3,230 Championing

    @Catherine21 No. The Speaker doesn't have to accept ammendments tabled.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Online Community Member Posts: 860 Championing
    edited June 29

    You've done what you had to do and I can only commend you for this - asking her those questions and feeding her answers on these and others back on here.

    She couldn't answer your questions and gave you the wrong information on the question she had answered. The increase of the health element is only for the new claimants on LCWRA that qualify for the so-called "severe conditions". In fact, this is neither an increase nor a premium (as Kendall used to parrot it) but the current rate. which I receive myself. They just want to make it a premium for the new claimants and fool the MPs.

    In addition, her claim that the health element for the current claimants on LCWRA would be frozen from 2026 to 2029 is false, and therefore misleading. In fact, this was the case prior to the so-called concessions, which I call lip service to fool the revolting MPs, But the fake concessions have lifted such a proposed freeze on the health element for the current claimants on LCWRA, and it would only apply to the new claimants.

    Freezing or unfreezing the health element for the current claimants on LCWRA, is not really a concern, as we're only talking about less than £5 per month. We're rather worried about the assessment and what type of assessment criteria we would be assessed with once the WCA is scrapped, and, alas, it seems to be the damn 4pt based scoring system, which would tremendously reduce the number of claimants on LCWRA (both new and existing ones) to a few thousands in a couple of years' time.

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  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 3,230 Championing

    @YogiBear @luvpink and I will be battered by the Employment Insurance Benefit. It is preposterous to lump together a healthy JSA claimant with a lifelong disabled ESA claimant.

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