Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

I agree with MW123 above quoted, here:

This isn’t genuine protection, it’s a delay, designed to defuse opposition while quietly embedding long term cuts. Once the Bill is passed, any future amendments to PIP criteria will have to work within its framework, not challenge it. If the Bill is halted, there’s still a chance to shape the entire package properly.

We need to not miss our chance, our precious opportunity to ask our MPs to

vote against even the 'concessions', before Tuesday vote in Parliament.Google to ''findyourMP'''if you don't know who your MP is

I agree with Secretsquirrel1

I don’t understand after this almost brought the government down ( may be a bit dramatic here) how they would trick the MPs who started the amendment. Surely the 126 rebels are all stupid ? Not that I trust the Labour government at all but look at the backlash . And regarding the two tier system, it shows that the rebels were only interested in saving their seats with the current claimants. They aren’t interested in the future claimants as right now the voters who are healthy are not thought to be interested in pip at the moment. Obviously that doesn’t include those on DLA or children. But that seems to be their thinking, including Meg hillier . IMO

, who is definitely not nuts, but maybe a nut-nibbler, no sarcasm intended only a bit of DAFT humour/ joy.

So please write to your MPs, SS's comment is very preceptive and acute. We need to counter the possible conspiracy she has identified.

Google ''findyourMP''

Many thanks.

PS

You owe it to yourselves to write, yet again, to your MPs.

I mostly agree with Thirty Sixteen who said:

In an ideal world I’d agree with you, I would. The likes of Shell, BP and big pharma could and should be paying more taxes. That in itself would be a massive financial relief for the country.

But when these companies use the loopholes like basing their businesses abroad they escape the taxes.

Not to mention all the back handers. But let’s not go there.

The sad fact is, we are a small island who is grossly overpopulated. Overpopulated with many many people who take rather than contribute to the system.

Labour aren’t Labour anymore, they’re Champaign socialists.

Governments will always make the rich richer while the poor get poorer.

Unfortunately what’s on offer in way of the amendment is pretty much the best we can hope for.

I DONT agree with the last paragraph - it IS up to us to ask our MPs to pressure the govt to tax the rich more.

I am an eternal optimist, and optimism makes it much more likely that people protest in huge numbers, and win compassion for all, including social justice.

U R going to get bored with my requests to write to your MP, but we need to don't we.

It's in the Govt's Green Paper @Ranald

The proposed changes to the CB ESA & JSA are at least being consulted upon in this paper. Please see the following from section 151 onwards. You can either respond to this & the few other bits that are actually open to consultation, or email in a reply. https://www.gov.uk/government/consultations/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper/pathways-to-work-reforming-benefits-and-support-to-get-britain-working-green-paper#section-1--what-the-reformed-system-will-look-like

It's said right at the end of the paper,

Please email consultation.pathwaystowork@dwp .gov.uk

if:

• you would like to respond via email, or
• you have any other enquiries specifically relating to this consultation

there’s nothing in the news just yet. It’s on the pathways to work:

151. We are consulting on creating a new Unemployment Insurance for those that have made National Insurance contributions. This would mean people receive the income they need alongside the right employment support to get back into work. The welfare system was founded upon the contributory principle – the idea of ‘something-for-something’. Contributory benefits are a form of non-means tested support for those who experience unemployment. Currently, New Style Employment and Support Allowance (NS ESA) and New Style Jobseeker’s Allowance (NS JSA) provide support for those who have recently become unemployed. To qualify for these benefits, 2 to 3 years’ worth of National Insurance credits must have been paid or credited prior to the date of a person’s claim. NS ESA supports individuals whose ability to work is restricted due to a disability or health condition. NS ESA relies on the WCA to determine eligibility. After the WCA, NS ESA places people in either a work-related activity group or a support group, which determines how much work preparation activity they are required to do and how long they are able to access the benefit. NS JSAalso supports unemployed individuals, or those working on average less than 16 hours a week, but it does not have a health-related requirement. People receiving NS JSA are expected to be actively searching for work and are able to access the benefit for up to 6 months.

152. Under the reformed system, we are consulting on replacing NS ESA and NS JSAwith one new Unemployment Insurance benefit. The rate of financial support would be set at the current higher rate of NS ESA. The benefit would not require a health assessment and would be based on an individual’s National Insurance record as is currently the case.[footnote 84] Individuals, such as those with long term health conditions, would also be able to claim other relevant benefits where eligible.

final suggestions won’t be known until white paper is published.

Yes, I totally agree why hit people like us it's disgusting! I suffer with bipolar disorder unfortunately. It's 80 percent genetic and 20 percent environmental. I have been in and out of jobs all my life, but somehow I have managed to work for 22 years in paid employment, as I had a mortgage with my ex husband you see. Bipolar people are above average intelligence and I own and run my own teaching languages business. I speak 4 different languages, French, Spanish, British sign language and of course I am a English native speaker. Catherine zeta Jones, Stephen fry, Mariah carey all have bipolar disorder and its known as the genius disease and I love being pure genius!!

So it might not see the light of day. I see no point in worrying about what might not even come to pass.

I definitely don't believe that.

Has the Government given anymore clarification on this? - Green Paper - ESA (CB).

54. Alongside levelling up the rate, this change would end the indefinite entitlement to contributory ESA for those assessed as having limited capability for work-related activity (for new people claiming). Those unemployed after the time-limited period would be able to claim UC, depending on their personal circumstances. We believe this reform would align with the removal of the WCA, by offering a route to financial support for those with temporary and short-term health conditions, including for those who may not be entitled to PIP and therefore not entitled to the health element of UC.

The vote coming this week like Christmas it may be really good or just as we expected