Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Ah okay, I'm on LCWRA but not PIP at the moment, so when everything's rolled into PIP and I get reassessed I'll either end up on no money at all or more than what I'm on now.
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Yes, but that's assuming they don't put additional protections in to avoid cliff edge situations like yours. These aspects of the bill are subject to the Timms review, as I understand it.Also… as an existing LCRWA claimant, I think you're protected in the immediate term.
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Not quite. It's cause they know even if people know, they won't adequately oppose it. The UK left as a movement is politically and strategically inept. So it makes sense they won't care what the masses think.
politics is about strategy, not just whether the facts are on your side. the facts are these cuts will lead to the completely avoidable deaths of thousands of disabled people. any strategy that isnt targeted, effective and relentless will fail.
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This, amongst other things, just proves they have no/zero/zilch/nada understanding of the processes they are intent on 'reforming'.
Even those raising questions don't have a single clue about the nuances/intracacies of welfare benefits.
Seems to me they have chosen to wilfully remain ignorant by failing to consult 'experts' (us), and instead just had a wee discussion at the pub on a Friday evening about it.
The stench of desperation from Kendall confirms, for me at least, they are not being completely transparent about their intentions.
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Funding alone isnt enough. NHS mental health services are institutionally abusive and actively cause harm to mad people. This is why many young people do not engage, whether by choice or otherwise.
its not just poverty. they're more likely to die.
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She is making it all very confusing now.
I’m completely lost now, what are the changes to PIP?
Does it matter if you get reassessed now or in 2027?
What happens to the new claimants?
How can an MP vote for something that no one understands?
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They seem willing to implode the Labour Party to get this rotten bill pushed through. It’s starting to look quite bizarre.
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So they’re going back on their concessions and admitting we will still fall under the 4 point rule . Meg hillier needs to accept she’s been hoodwinked into agreeing to a bill that has no concessions at all , just a delay to destitution
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Kendall has said three times now, she is trying to address the incapacity benefit high take up in previous manufacturing areas (indicating she thinks cases are not genuine), she also responded to an MP saying she doesnt believe luck is involved in becoming disabled, but actually they need to support these areas economically with high claimant rates, cant believe what I am watching.
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I think it wont matter, I expect the 2 point descriptors today to not exist on the new assessment.
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It looks like everyone who is being reassessed from November 2026 will be assessed under the 4 point descriptor. So everyone will be treated the same new/existing claimants. I believe this Green Paper consultation has been a load of nonsense. The government have done this so it looks like they are doing the right thing by disabled people.
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Kendall REALLY detests disabled people.
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if rebels don’t stop this bill, I don’t think Liebour will get more than 200 seats in the next election.
They are imploding
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I clearly heard her say existing claimants will be on the old system. However she specifically said 2026. So still unclear what happens post timms review.
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We need to campaign write to MPs re 4 pint reassessment, and challenge it in the courts if at all possible.
I am going to take advice from Leeds Welfare Rights, and CAB Mind Legal unit and 5 other pro bono legal firms.
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Somebody asked why cant PM Chancellor plus DWP misters be taken to court for incitement to hatred based on protected characteristics of disability.
Incitement to any form of hatred (anti LGBT, disability, race) has to use violent threatening language.
So, we need to keep campaigning writing to media outlining our case, and write to MPs, mass lobbies of Parliament etc., all the way up to the next general election in an alliance of disabled peoples organisations, to reverse these changes, if they are passed this time, and WE CAN, there are 11 million pensioners often with severe complex disabilities and 16million disabled people - if we ally with pensioners groups we can win.
And consult lawyers and barristers re course of legal redress of injustices/ grievances.
We need to have the determination of Mandela, the patience of Gandhi and the compassion and wisdom of Buddha.
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Kendall is all over the place, presenting all the smoke and mirrors available to her.
She's not actively listening. She's hearing trigger words, and repeating points of rhetoric based on those words.
The general consensus of those speaking out is: Pull this abberation of a bill, and come back with a properly consulted version.
They are desperate to get this through as a money bill to avoid appropriate scrutiny. Once it is in they can 'amend' it at will without challenge.
These MPs are being gaslit.
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Is this still being voted on tomorrow ?
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Yes have you written emailed your MP
Even at this late stage.
It is still worth doing - to get even more MPs to vote against the bill.
Activism is the antidote to despair [and anxiety, trauma, depression] Joan Boaz
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