Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Kendall is all over the place, presenting all the smoke and mirrors available to her.
She's not actively listening. She's hearing trigger words, and repeating points of rhetoric based on those words.
The general consensus of those speaking out is: Pull this abberation of a bill, and come back with a properly consulted version.
They are desperate to get this through as a money bill to avoid appropriate scrutiny. Once it is in they can 'amend' it at will without challenge.
These MPs are being gaslit.
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Is this still being voted on tomorrow ?
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Yes have you written emailed your MP
Even at this late stage.
It is still worth doing - to get even more MPs to vote against the bill.
Activism is the antidote to despair [and anxiety, trauma, depression] Joan Boaz
Please Google find your MP.
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Unless Guy Fawkes rocks up with a more effective method than last time, they are determined to push this through via a vote where MPs are being directed to vote for a 'pig in a poke' legislation.
Straight from the Project 2025 playbook being enacted in the US.
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Sky News:-
Could claimants move between tiers?
But Labour's Vicky Foxcroft - who quit as a government whip over the reforms - asks: "If claimants request a reassessment because of worsening health conditions, will they be assessed on the current criteria or new eligibility criteria?"
Kendall says existing claimants will "remain under the new rules unless they request a reassessment until November 2026".
At that point onwards, "there will be that four-point minimum", she adds.
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still have no idea if when reviewed I n 2027 I will be on the new 4 point system or not.
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I predict that there's worse to come down the line. I don't think anyone can take what the government says in good faith.
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Yes wrote to my mp, she was on the original list before the concession, so not sure how she’s voting now as I haven’t seen a new list of MPs opposing
it seems even a change of address could mean you’re reassessed under the 4 point rule
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So do I understand this right that the concessions of protection only last until Nov 2026 regardless? So they were not concessions at all, as we all predicted.
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A change of address wouldn’t usually change anything. I moved address and pip stayed the same as did legacy esa . Problem is there seems to be no details such as who fits the scc ? I’ve 200,00 yet there are many more of us with conditions with no cure or treatment. And MPs happy to vote without full facts. Meg hillier got our hopes up for votes that’s what I think
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New/existing claimants will all be assessed under the new criteria if not now, eventually. So in that respect there will be fairness across the board so to speak.
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What a mess. I don't think even Liz Kendall understands what is being proposed.
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Looks like it.
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4 points rule will not apply to current claimants when award comes up for review / change of circumstances post Nov 2026 - confirmed by DWP.
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Tories to vote against government's welfare reforms
Kemi Badenoch has confirmed the Conservatives will vote against the government's welfare reforms tomorrow.
Tory MPs had been sitting on the fence somewhat until now, suggesting they might be willing to back the prime minister as they too believe the benefits bill needs to come down.
But Badenoch says Labour's plans are "not serious".
PM has 'watered down' plans
"Last week, we challenged them to cut the welfare budget, to bring in measures that would get people back into work, and to assure us there wouldn’t be new taxes to fill the gap," Badenoch says.
"Keir Starmer has not met those challenges, in fact he's watered down the small savings Labour were making.
"We have a government that is incapable of governing. For that reason, we will be voting against the welfare bill tomorrow."
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I think there is some misunderstanding in this thread, I dont trust this lot, but its very clear that existing claimants post 2026, will not be subject to the 4 point rule. I think I watched at least 10 MPs ask the question even though it was answered, and it was the answer every time.
The bit that is unclear is what happens after Timms changes become law later down the line.
She also said those passporting onto PIP from other benefits would be exempt as well.3 -
DWP confirms 4-point rule won't apply to existing Pip claimants reassessed in future - after Kendall mis-speak implies otherwise
The Department for Work and Pensions has released a letter that Stephen Timms has sent to MPs about the concessions on the welfare bill. It contains a Q&A, and the text of the amendments relating to Pip.
The Q&A covers what will happen to existing Pip claimants if their claims are reassessed. It says:
What has changed?
As part of our measures to strengthen the UC and Pip bill, we will bring forward an amendment for Commons committee so that the 4-point minimum only applies to new claims. This means that no existing claimants will be subject to the 4-point requirement, including if they undergo an award review, whether planned or due to a change in circumstances. Those making a new claim after the measure comes into force (not before November 2026) will be subject to the 4-point requirement.
Earlier in the Commons Liz Kendall seemed to the opposite, implied that existing claimants would be subject to the four-point rule if they ask for a reassessment after November 2026. (See 4.38pm.) But DWP sources have said Kendall mis-spoke, and that the situation is as set out in the DWP Q&A.
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Liz Kendall: “As is the case now, people can request reassessment whenever they want. For existing claimants they will remain under the new rules unless they request a reassessment until November 2026. From November 2026 onwards, there will be that 4 point minimum.”
Are you sure the answer was clear every time? 😎
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