Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Yes, that’s right, Catherine, the House of Lords still sees a money bill. And please don’t ever feel awkward about asking questions. If I can help, I’m always happy to.
When I first joined this forum a few years ago, I came with questions of my own about the PIP process. If others here hadn’t taken the time to explain things, I’d still be finding my way. That kind of support really makes all the difference when you’re navigating something so complex.
The help I received from members like Poppy12345 and @chiarieds genuinely made a difference. Most people here are incredibly generous with their knowledge and always willing to help others. So never feel awkward about asking for clarification if something doesn’t make sense, there’s no such thing as a silly question here.
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You're not being cynical, your assessment is spot on. It is clear the government, anticipating strong resistance and the risk of defeat, had already prepared for the removal of Clause 5 as a contingency. The expectation that the Bill would be certified as a Money Bill, even before Clause 5 was officially dropped, strongly suggests this was not a last-minute reaction but part of a calculated strategy.
I admit, I was holding out hope right up until the final moments that the Bill might be pulled altogether. Then I found myself thinking, “Please, just vote it down.” I remain convinced that this legislation is fundamentally flawed, and I am deeply concerned that from April next year, new claimants will face reduced financial support under UC.
That said, now that its passage seems all but inevitable, I believe the removal of Clause 5 could still work in our favour, provided the government honours its commitment to meaningful engagement. If lived experience is genuinely welcomed into the process, we may have a chance to shape something better. But if the consultation ends up echoing the failures of the Pathways to Work process, it will amount to little more than performative politics. MPs must now show they are prepared to listen to and work alongside their disabled constituents.
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and that’s the main problem with all of this.
Disabled community are up next for the firing squad.
Just have to read some of todays papers, or even the BBC, we are going to be blamed for everyone’s unhappiness in this country.
Then the media/politicians (ordered by the powers at play) will have to find another group of people as a scapegoat to justify the obliteration of living standards in the UK as more and more working people live in poverty.
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Thankyou
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Good point below, and do folks think a system of PR voting might moderate the right wing policies in British govt, or not.
The Green Party is more socialist than Labour, I'm voting Green next time, not ever Labour again.
And they're serious about saving the planet.
There is currently only one party worthy of my vote, the greens. But we have a awful voting system, which is assuring right wing politics thrives.0 -
Who was crying?
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Yes people don't ration it was them who did All this and because they back stepped some how that's our fault all by design I wish I could switch off as it is so overwhelming
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If your mp for cuts email them emailed mine last week against this week for told him of he doesn't vote against no voting for him will make it my personal mission to get him out
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Wibbles said:
The amount of pain that you are in has never been a descriptor in PIP.
Presumably because they don't trust us to tell the truth - pain is a personally rated thing.
I am in constant pain - from arthritic shoulders, knees and spine - but when I applied for PIP after almost 20 years of DLA - I was surprised that there was no way on the form that I could explain the sheer pain that I suffer, 24/7.
Well I'm not sure if that is true:
- PIP is fopr the extra help you need for disablities;
- - opain is a medical symtom of lots of conditionsm, e.g. MSK;
- - you could put at the end of the PIP form how exactly it debilitates you, and thus make a case for extra help
Also please DO buy a copy of the Disability Rights Handbook, published by Disability Alliance on 1st April every year.
Please Google it, it is a benefits bible and well worth a look.
And re read, it gives you the state of play on PIPETC, will allay fears/ anxiety.
I strongly recommend people purchase it.
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Saw a post on fb that has started me worrying, it said Timms shouldn’t be doing the report and that pip and the health element of uc for mental health will be for people who are sectioned regular or who are psychotic, also said people with autism are just idle and need to be in work for structure
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There are a lot of people who think this way unfortunately.
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No chance they will get away with that after yesterday
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There will be so many of these stories coming out they say atritis lung problems they say everything and it catches us and takes is to a dark place if your mp has voted for cuts email tell them you will vote them out my daughter tells me stop mum your engaging with stuff that might not happen one day at a time
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Also everyone wrote to ECHR tell them we are being violated by the government
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This is such an important point. AI has also already taken away jobs that some disabled people might have been able to do from home. I've certainly seen that in my own experience. So AI is hitting from every angle, the government is championing AI, yet apparently ignores the impact on the jobs market.
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Dear Catherine21,
you have to go through the British courts first with your legal case under the Human Rights Act, then if no redress is given to the ECHR:
European Court of Human Rights.
Thee is a Community Legal Service Booklet you cabn Google and order, oplease do so folks.
called something like Yours rigjhts under the ECHR - 7 Human Rights, such as Article 2 Right to Life, Article 8 Right to family and private life, right to freedom though cionscience and religion, and Right to a Fair Hearing.
Information is power and saves a lot of distraction, distress, and wasting of energy if you know your rights.
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Different people have complained there is still profound ignorance of disability, and distress diagnose, and how it is real, painful and needing of PIP.
So, we need to keep educating the public, by putting our case in the media, for disability benefits, or not.
You can Google your local newspapers, radio, TV go on social media, and tell your story. BUT please prote4ct your heart, your hurt, your trauma and decide only what you wish to reveal and be clear about what your message is.
Journalists can be insensitive, and aggressive in getting their story.
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Apples
what is FB?
And everyone please explain abbreviations.
PS
An apple a day…
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Facebook sorry for using abbreviations i get lazy at typing, will refrain from using abbreviations
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Oh dear, so Rachael Reeves today at pmq's apparently had to wipe away tears and looked visibly upset when Badenoch had a go at her and Starmer over welfare U-turns. Not being cruel but Iv'e absolutely no sympathy for her at all, the amount of stress, anxiety, sleepless nights etc she and her clan have put us through is nothing in comparison to how we have suffered. Starmer says she's not resigning or geting fired, big mistake, hopefully her, Starmer, and Kendall will all be out of a job soon, useless bunch of no hopers since Liz Truss was in power, and that says something.
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