Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 214 Empowering

    Yeah good point , she would of been happy if they had gone through

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Thank you for that chiaried ,

    Does that to you read that if fluctuating conditions worsen we could be eligible ? It didn’t say we wouldn’t but obviously with their words it’s hard to pin them down

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,236 Championing

    It sounds like Liz kendall was acknowledging that some with 'fluctuating conditions' may be considered to fit the 'severe conditions' criteria. Fluctuating conditions definitely have to be taken into account with PIP, probably hence the mention of Timms review.

    However, all assessments are on an individual basis, so a blanket statement doesn't guarantee that everyone with a fluctuating condition would be awarded PIP, or fit into the severe conditions criteria.

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    So true peoples lives ruined

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing
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    In wrong order like stepford mps all happy why bother putting us on a high then dropping us

  • Autumnleaf
    Autumnleaf Online Community Member Posts: 868 Empowering

    Hi. I emailed every MP on Monday night. I could only send a maximum of 100 recipients at a time so emailed in batches. I sent 6 emails to 100 MPs at a time, then another email to the remaining 51. Got a lot of automatic responses but 1 or 2 responses from MPs (not from my constituency) who are against the bill - or at least parts of it.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    These people are moles they all work together for the main objective themselves more wealth corruption imagine all the surplus money they could have I'm speechless I think if it is two years it comes the best thing we can do is nuture ourselves speaking to my daughter she's so worried for me and my mental health to the point she was crying god got to dig deep and not get caught up in thoer pantomimes very hard when your constantly triggered second guessing thier next move we think thier stupid but seems thier very very sly comes from the top years on ruining people's life's this is the real buzz for starmer kendell I hope the mps are happy with the bosses because when this happens it will be business as usual they will ignore the mps and dismiss them

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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    Wow that's amazing seems thier all happy now content yep they agree all good ??? Have they been hypnotised I just don't get it is there away to send same email to all mps takes me forever what do you think of it all

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,759 Championing

    The ‘pre-commencement requirements’ only matter if Clause 5 (the part about changes to PIP) is still in the Bill. If Clause 5 is removed, there is nothing for those requirements to delay or control, so they become irrelevant.

    When Parliament debates a Bill, they publish all possible changes (amendments), even if not all of them are agreed in the end. This lets everyone see what was considered and how decisions were made.

    In this case, some MPs wanted to delete Clause 5, while others wanted to keep it but add extra steps before it could take effect (the pre-commencement requirements).

    Both options were discussed, but in the end, Parliament decided to remove Clause 5 completely. This means the PIP changes are no longer part of the Bill, and the pre-commencement requirements no longer apply.

    All suggested amendments, including those not adopted, remain part of the public record so people can understand the process. This is how the amendment process and rules about when laws start (commencement conditions) operate in UK lawmaking. It also explains why official records include references to proposals that were discussed but not ultimately included in the final law, because all suggested changes (amendments), whether adopted or not, are published so the public can see what was considered during the Bill’s passage.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    Even if this is a money bill will that still all happen ?

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Online Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    They are all completely out-of-touch with what is happening in the jobs market, especially in regards to AI. The question people in the AI field are trying to resolve is how we support all the people who will lose their jobs to AI. This lot think they're going to get a million disabled people into jobs, while everything else remains rosey.

    The political class are focusing on the wrong problem.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    If you can't join a conversation without being sarcastic pls don't join you have done this to me on many occasions and I am taking it personally so pls stop most of us are stressed to the eyeballs have a tiny bit if consideration thankyou

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    This is the part of my nature I hate when I seen her crying I felt sorry for her even though I haven't slept been sobbing day in and out was pitifully to watch

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,759 Championing

    Even for Money Bills, the full amendment process and public record keeping still apply. You will still see references to all the possible changes that were considered, even if the Bill is fast-tracked or the Lords have limited power to amend it.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    Yes if a majority of people voted for them would it be possible for them to govern

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 8,623 Championing

    But no one contest what thier changing is that correct sorryto ask so many questions

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,838 Championing

    I was stating a fact not name calling as most are so wind your neck in it was not even a reply to yourself but to another member who like myself took no offence to my statement as I to his

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