Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.
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Hi @uruloki - good to have you join us. I think we're all feeling a bit battered & bruised with recent events (& the media mainly hasn't helped), & yesterday's debate before the vote on the bill's 2nd reading was difficult to watch, from the MPs that spoke from their conscience, & those that spoke with feeling about their disabled constituents giving them a voice, to the actual vote.
Yes, a couple of us have been thinking the same about this Bill that they want it certified as a money bill, & now the clause about PIP has been removed, it's perhaps possible (& why did it say underneath the Bill that it was expected to be certified as a money bill before the actual debate?)
We have to hang on to the fact that there are a lot of good people fighting our corner, e.g. charities for disabled people & organisations that have helped with their unbiased opinion. The fight's not over yet.
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Hi chiaried and uruloki,
I was surprised it was Rayners idea to scrap the pip part of the bill . Did she have the power to make that decision or would it have needed starmers permission? I think she’ll be PM at some point and I’m trying to work out how she’ll treat us . I remember an interview she gave regarding disability benefits pre election and she came off very well . I think I’ll look it up tmrw how she’s voted in the past
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I am still thinking that the rebels are watching and any attempt to circumvent what was promised yesterday will lead to another fiasco next week when it comes to the third vote.
At the same time, the review can still be rushed or fudged and there is no guarantee that they will take on board things said by disabled people. Four points could absolutely come back at this point, and there will be no protection necessarily for existing claimants so we have to be alert regardless.
Badenoch struck me earlier talking about people 'frightened' by the risk of tax rises.
People who pay tax earn over a certain threshold, so they are probably not as tight to the poverty line as some of the people who have been not just frightened but outright traumatised by the last several months (and are still in limbo).
Whichever Labour MP said that if Reform win the next election it will be Maskell's fault also needs to stop passing blame and look at the real reasons Labour's polling has fallen. NOT LISTENING to constituents over things like child benefit, WFA, and now disability benefits, adding NI to businesses, only some of which can afford them. Targeting farmers. Etc. etc. None of this was caused by Rachel Maskell standing up and giving us a voice.
It's those who were loyal to the bill who should be ashamed.As for Reeves, I'm not interested in mocking her. I still think Kendall should step down. I don't have an opinion on Reeves in this regard except that red lines have to go and apologies are owed from the heart of government to all disabled people.
Side-note - the Tories were as bad, if not worse. The last time Tories stood up for the disabled was before Boris and Brexit purged the house of the last reasonable thinking ones. If this had been a Tory bill, it would've gone through with not a murmur. We need to credit the rebels as Labour MPs standing up for Labour values and not being swayed by the lure of the right.
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As much as I can't stand her and what she's put us through, it troubled me to see Reeves crying today (and it is clear she'd been crying a lot)
When we lose the basic human emotions of being able to relate to someone who is clearly in distress then we really are hurtling down the slippery slope.
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Sort of think scrapping the PIP part of the Bill because of the backlash the Gov't had received might have been part of the already decided plan a few days ago @secretsquirrel1 - I'd have liked to have been a fly on the wall to have heard what they discussed!
I'd like to think the rebels are still watching too; they have a week to reflect & regroup. The proposed 4 point rule was calculated to cut as many disabled people as possible from PIP, but I don't think they'd contemplate this again, tho I'm definitely concerned that Timms review might not be co-produced with disabled people & the charities that support them, if the Green Paper 'consultation' was anything to go by.
Increasing NI contributions has hit businesses, & particularly small businesses according to the Federation of Small Businesses. This Gov't certainly doesn't seemed to have thought clearly, or listened.
The Gov't needs to build up trust with us all. On that note, Full Fact noted,
''In July 2024, Sir Keir Starmer made a pledge outside Number 10, that the public’s “lack of trust” in politics “can only be healed by actions not words.”
In saying these words, it seemed reasonable to expect trust-healing actions to follow. Unfortunately, this has not been the case.''
& later,
''The Prime Minister has failed to respond to more of our correction requests than any other minister, after making claims about convictions, immigration, and interest rates.''
Please see their full report on this Govt's first year:
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By the time Timms finishes his report and I hope it has to be voted on it brings them closer to the next election. They’ll surely be thinking of that when they bring in charges as they’ve seen the backlash 🤞🙏
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I don't think it's necessarily a loss of emotion for somebody. I don't enjoy seeing her that way and I was quite surprised to see it. But I think it's hard to properly feel sorry for somebody who has been a big part of this onslaught without apparent feeling themselves for those they're trampling and it's understandable people are feeling the way they are to varying degrees.
I'm not sure if she was in distress or just tired, but you do make a fair point too.
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Can't be any worse than Marjorie Taylor Green interrupting President Biden's State of the Union address, or the New Zealand MPs staging a Haka in Parliament.
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Quite. When Kemi Badenoch was pointing and calling her miserable, I really hope she couldn't see that RR was crying at that point. I don't think she was but I couldn't tell; really not a nice woman if she could.
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Having attended some very heated union meetings, I can only imagine how it feels to be in the Commons. Adversarial is definitely the word!
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It was years ago, mate. These days I couldn't even get on a bus without assistance.
Btw, employees can't just take time off because they get divorced. They deal with it and carry on.
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You're right, or brutal. I might see if Hancock is at the Covid enquiry again i missed it yesterday, although for my blood pressure thats probably a good thing !
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Emailed a few more times asking if they would or could do anything answer No after all that
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Yes my moment of feeling pity is over it has and is hell
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My ex husband was the same no time for emotions get a grip signs of weakness he would say
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Welcome yes I think your spot on the sneakiness if your mp voted for email them and tell them exactly this in around about words
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Start emailing
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Your always supportive I had a moment I felt that's sad to see then later didn't feel that at all feel anger we been apart of this pantomime all preplanned someone said the 4 point rule was unlawful or something like that so everything they do is not for the better of us it's covering themselves I've written to loads of mps saying you have your vote now and we will have ours in may and as a disabled community you see who we stick together how strong we are we will systematically together make a plan to vote all mps who voted or even worse 173 abstained from this bill will feel the fear uncertainty terror of the future when we vote you out has to be done because thought on going to job centre no way I'd rather fight hard this week than not being able to attend and get sanctioned and lose everything so fight now arrr I annoy myself with my spelling type to fast and don't check
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