Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

Catherine21

If your mp for cuts email them emailed mine last week against this week for told him of he doesn't vote against no voting for him will make it my personal mission to get him out

MadMilan2019

Wibbles said:

The amount of pain that you are in has never been a descriptor in PIP.

Presumably because they don't trust us to tell the truth - pain is a personally rated thing.

I am in constant pain - from arthritic shoulders, knees and spine - but when I applied for PIP after almost 20 years of DLA - I was surprised that there was no way on the form that I could explain the sheer pain that I suffer, 24/7.

Well I'm not sure if that is true:

• PIP is fopr the extra help you need for disablities;
• - opain is a medical symtom of lots of conditionsm, e.g. MSK;
• - you could put at the end of the PIP form how exactly it debilitates you, and thus make a case for extra help

Also please DO buy a copy of the Disability Rights Handbook, published by Disability Alliance on 1st April every year.

Please Google it, it is a benefits bible and well worth a look.

And re read, it gives you the state of play on PIPETC, will allay fears/ anxiety.

I strongly recommend people purchase it.

apples

Saw a post on fb that has started me worrying, it said Timms shouldn’t be doing the report and that pip and the health element of uc for mental health will be for people who are sectioned regular or who are psychotic, also said people with autism are just idle and need to be in work for structure

geckobat

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1044546#Comment_1044546

There are a lot of people who think this way unfortunately.

Danny123

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1044546#Comment_1044546

No chance they will get away with that after yesterday

Catherine21

There will be so many of these stories coming out they say atritis lung problems they say everything and it catches us and takes is to a dark place if your mp has voted for cuts email tell them you will vote them out my daughter tells me stop mum your engaging with stuff that might not happen one day at a time

Catherine21

Also everyone wrote to ECHR tell them we are being violated by the government

geckobat

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1044489#Comment_1044489

This is such an important point. AI has also already taken away jobs that some disabled people might have been able to do from home. I've certainly seen that in my own experience. So AI is hitting from every angle, the government is championing AI, yet apparently ignores the impact on the jobs market.

MadMilan2019

Dear Catherine21,

you have to go through the British courts first with your legal case under the Human Rights Act, then if no redress is given to the ECHR:

European Court of Human Rights.

Thee is a Community Legal Service Booklet you cabn Google and order, oplease do so folks.

called something like Yours rigjhts under the ECHR - 7 Human Rights, such as Article 2 Right to Life, Article 8 Right to family and private life, right to freedom though cionscience and religion, and Right to a Fair Hearing.

Information is power and saves a lot of distraction, distress, and wasting of energy if you know your rights.

MadMilan2019

Different people have complained there is still profound ignorance of disability, and distress diagnose, and how it is real, painful and needing of PIP.

So, we need to keep educating the public, by putting our case in the media, for disability benefits, or not.

You can Google your local newspapers, radio, TV go on social media, and tell your story. BUT please prote4ct your heart, your hurt, your trauma and decide only what you wish to reveal and be clear about what your message is.

Journalists can be insensitive, and aggressive in getting their story.

MadMilan2019

Apples

what is FB?

And everyone please explain abbreviations.

PS

An apple a day…

apples

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1044564#Comment_1044564

Facebook sorry for using abbreviations i get lazy at typing, will refrain from using abbreviations

charlie72

Oh dear, so Rachael Reeves today at pmq's apparently had to wipe away tears and looked visibly upset when Badenoch had a go at her and Starmer over welfare U-turns. Not being cruel but Iv'e absolutely no sympathy for her at all, the amount of stress, anxiety, sleepless nights etc she and her clan have put us through is nothing in comparison to how we have suffered. Starmer says she's not resigning or geting fired, big mistake, hopefully her, Starmer, and Kendall will all be out of a job soon, useless bunch of no hopers since Liz Truss was in power, and that says something.

JasonRA

We are literally the ONLY COUNTRY in Western and Northern Europe which actively places Disabled people in a negative light.

MadMilan2019

Then that is a cause for hope isn't it?

Can you tell us more detail JasonRA please?

What thee European counties did etc., and so we ight be able to lobby our MPs, and make it a cross party agenda that

disabled people deserve

benfits, acceptance, work ontheir terms and the help they need etc.

Danny123

JasonRA

I know people don't like using AI for such things I know I'm sceptical but I did ask for views on Mental Illnesses within certain European countries.

Only in Britain does this nonsense go on and my suspicion is that it's a sign of a low trust society and a society influenced by Media narratives.

I believe that a mixture of all the countries mentioned barring Britain is the way to go, rehabilitation, support, dignity with the avenue to open up potential to do something.

geckobat

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1044577#Comment_1044577

There's such a thing as toxic positivity, and telling people who are concerned not just for their security but their very lives that they should basically be the better person or look on the bright side is frustrating.

It's hard all round and people have different situations and outlooks, and I don't wish terrible things on people but it's hard to feel pity seeing any of these politicians under stress, considering what they've been doing to millions with a smile and a smirk.

uruloki

Evening everyone this is my first post in this forum, I lost my left leg below the knee seven years ago and continue to have various medical conditions. I wish my first post could be under more positive circumstances, I have read all kinds of different stories and articles in the last few months and I might have some details confused but this where I am at right now and I need an outlet for all the information floating around in my mind. 

I think the reading in parliament yesterday was a cynical setup and the last minute concession was actually part of the plan to get the bill through, it’s a smoke screen in my opinion so that the bill goes ahead next week and is passed on to lords as money bill as planned. 

will that negate the right of recourse in relation to human rights and or appeals? 

Does it mean the government can make any changes they like to the descriptors that measure how disabled people are without any recourse to effectively appeal under law?

It feels like they are stripping disabled people’s human rights away, Starmer made his career off the back of creating human rights and according to his old law firm the  bill was actually illegal until the concession was made. 

 It feels like disabled people are being dehumanised in a very sneaky way, some of the experiences I read today from people who are not visibly disabled having conversations about what people really think about disabled people are shocking and frightening. 

We are seen as  a burden to society so  people will look the other way so the problem is dealt with.

secretsquirrel1

https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/comment/1044599#Comment_1044599

The harder they feel defeated the better so they don’t come for us again 🤞. By the time of Timms report Rayner will probably be PM I wonder if she hates the disabled ?