Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • Hopeless
    Hopeless Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 1,013 Pioneering
  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Yes we need a break to refresh Catherine. You can always pm me if you need to talk ❤️

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  • alexroda
    alexroda Community Member Posts: 381 Trailblazing

    there has to be a disability press group formed, that attends leaders/politicians press conferences at least during the run up to an election.

    Cause many political parties are very vague in their manifestos when it comes to welfare and disability benefits. An issue that MSM never, never asked during manifesto presentation press conferences.

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  • bellatango
    bellatango Community Member Posts: 130 Empowering
  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Community Member Posts: 415 Pioneering

    Just read that on X. I wonder who else will following her?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Daily mail

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    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing
  • apples
    apples Community Member Posts: 556 Empowering

    just seen on Facebook disability page, Darren Grimes Reform has posted stats people claiming pip for mh and autism etc 😡

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  • geckobat
    geckobat Community Member Posts: 205 Empowering

    As usual, far too many people have no understanding of these things at all.

    Or they are people who have experience but their troubles are minimal so they give the 'if I can work like normal without claiming then so can everybody else.'

    Then people congratulate them with 'you're one of the good useful ones.'

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community Member Posts: 417 Championing
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    Unfortunately autistic people, people with MH conditions and with other invisible disabilities are always the butt of this kind of comment. Because instead of promoting inclusion and awareness, our media likes to peddle misinformation and overdiagnosis tropes that have no basis in fact.

    Meanwhile Reform councillors have been costing the tax payer 10k per go each time one quits and forces a local by election. I forget how many it is now but it's more than ten. That's more money than any person gets on PIP for a whole year even on the very top level.

    …So maybe they'd like to stop spewing about what disabled people are legitimately doing and ask their councillors why they're capable of playing a game of popularity contest but not actually doing the job that comes with it?

    The people who say "I'm fine so you should be too" don't understand disability :/. But there are also a lot of barriers in place for people who can/want to work because of the assumptions about capability and the ignorance from employers. Buckland report did a great job of exposing those for autistic people.

    As an autistic person who is working, I'm really lucky in my team and with my manager - but I have seen and experienced first hand the things employers will do to avoid employing a disabled person.

    And that's if you even get to the interview. Even some disability charities don't practice very accessible recruitment :(

    And just because I work, it doesn't mean that's always easy or that I glide through it then have a wild party on my off days. I literally have a list on my fridge right now reminding me which bus stop I need to use on which day to catch the right bus to work for each shift - because my navigation means I get easily disorientated and I have legit ended up at the wrong one before now. :/ And reminding me to go to work tomorrow because I have swapped a day and so am not on my usual timesheet. That's before I even get to work, so yeah.

  • Autumnleaf
    Autumnleaf Community Member Posts: 989 Empowering

    I understand the reasoning about prioritising the substantial risk group for assessment, but would that help for those on C-ESA plus PIP? Because, if they're going to using the PIP assessment in future how would turning you down for ESA help them?

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  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Member Posts: 17,441 Championing

    There has been absolutely no mention of 'substantial risk' or any change to it in the 'UC & Pip Bill,' nor it's amendments.

    Substantial risk is considered when a claimant already has LCW but doesn't (otherwise) fit the criteria for LCWRA, but they, or others would be at 'substantial risk' if they weren't placed in the LCWRA group (if such a claimant was asked to engage in looking into work/actual employed).

    Links about this & 'severe conditions' previously quoted from Benefits and Work were from 22 June just after the Bill was first published on 18 June.

    The 'severe conditions' criteria (which already exists) is completely different; you need to meet one of the LCWRA descriptors & all 4 of these need to apply:

    1. the level of function will always meet LCWRA
    2. it's a lifelong condition with
    3. no realistic prospect of recovery of function
    4. it's an unambiguous condition (with a medical diagnosis)

    The latest amendment to the UC & PIP Bill on 3 July has added that fluctuating conditions such as Parkinson's & multiple sclerosis will also apply. [There had been concern that the Bill said that a 'severe condition' had to 'constantly' apply]

    I have no way of knowing if the statement B & W made about those with 'substantial risk' not meeting the criteria for 'severe conditions' is correct, for, as I say, 'substantial risk' isn't even mentioned in this Bill.

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  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    Remember what I was saying , people on ESA / lcwra will be reassessed on the WCA until it's abolishment in 2028 / 2029 , that will be the start of the tax year April 2028 .... That will be for new claims firstly and then a gradual transition for existing claimants .... Earliest start back end of 2029 .... And then there's a very good chance you won't be one of the first , you could be looking at the end of 2030 going into 2031 .... I mean there will be another government in by then , who knows what will happen .... You can't be worrying yourself sick for a minimum of 4 and a half years .... Just concentrate on your next reassessment and go from there

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