Scope's reply to the governments planned concessions to the green paper.

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  • [Deleted User]
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  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Member Posts: 17,413 Championing

    There has been absolutely no mention of 'substantial risk' or any change to it in the 'UC & Pip Bill,' nor it's amendments.

    Substantial risk is considered when a claimant already has LCW but doesn't (otherwise) fit the criteria for LCWRA, but they, or others would be at 'substantial risk' if they weren't placed in the LCWRA group (if such a claimant was asked to engage in looking into work/actual employed).

    Links about this & 'severe conditions' previously quoted from Benefits and Work were from 22 June just after the Bill was first published on 18 June.

    The 'severe conditions' criteria (which already exists) is completely different; you need to meet one of the LCWRA descriptors & all 4 of these need to apply:

    1. the level of function will always meet LCWRA
    2. it's a lifelong condition with
    3. no realistic prospect of recovery of function
    4. it's an unambiguous condition (with a medical diagnosis)

    The latest amendment to the UC & PIP Bill on 3 July has added that fluctuating conditions such as Parkinson's & multiple sclerosis will also apply. [There had been concern that the Bill said that a 'severe condition' had to 'constantly' apply]

    I have no way of knowing if the statement B & W made about those with 'substantial risk' not meeting the criteria for 'severe conditions' is correct, for, as I say, 'substantial risk' isn't even mentioned in this Bill.

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  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 229 Empowering

    Remember what I was saying , people on ESA / lcwra will be reassessed on the WCA until it's abolishment in 2028 / 2029 , that will be the start of the tax year April 2028 .... That will be for new claims firstly and then a gradual transition for existing claimants .... Earliest start back end of 2029 .... And then there's a very good chance you won't be one of the first , you could be looking at the end of 2030 going into 2031 .... I mean there will be another government in by then , who knows what will happen .... You can't be worrying yourself sick for a minimum of 4 and a half years .... Just concentrate on your next reassessment and go from there

  • Albus_Alumni
    Albus_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 11,373 Championing

    There's nothing to apologise for @Catherine21 thank you for sharing so much information that people may have missed. 😁

    In other news, I've updated the original post with some new links. It's worth everyone checking them out. 😊

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,048 Championing
  • Albus_Alumni
    Albus_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 11,373 Championing

    Hey folks,

    As things are moving very fast right now, we've opened a new discussion (to try and cut down on multiple discussions,) with a brief overview of what's happening, with new links to check out. If people could continue the discussion here, it'd be most appreciated.

    Thank you.

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