Disability Benefit Cuts - Take action before July 9th.

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  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,408 Championing

    I feel the sorrow too. We have all been pushing, speaking out, refusing to stay silent, and yet they continue to drive this bill forward as if our voices do not matter. But that sorrow must not become surrender. I am not done, not while there is still time to act.

    The issue is not just the policy, it is the leadership overseeing the review. Stephen Timms may be a minister, but he cannot credibly lead a review into reforms he helped shape. The public deserve transparency, disabled people deserve independence, and this review demands someone with lived experience and trust, not political baggage.

    The third reading is the final Commons debate on the bill’s actual contents, not what might be added later, not what is vaguely promised in future reviews. If MPs are not challenged now on Timms’s role, it will be treated as settled, and once this bill passes, we lose the opportunity to demand change through parliamentary amendment.

    This is not simply about raising concerns, it is about securing it in the bill. That is the only way to ensure the review is led independently, not shaped by someone already tied to the proposals under fire.

    If, like me, you are not happy with this, your MP needs to know. This is not a side issue, it is central to trust, accountability and justice. Our voices must be loud, clear and united before the third reading. When policy is being locked in, silence is treated as consent. I refuse to be silent, I am not done, and none of us should be. Let your MPs know, because they are your voice in Parliament.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,356 Championing

    Trust me my mp knows I've been emailing so many with pip they was responding!! They actually think it's completed or they been pulled in line because apart from a handful of mps it's gone quiet I Google names later I am losing hope but like yourself I will keep trying how many emotions can we experience up and down hope then no hope labour has been the worst I experienced ever !!

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,356 Championing
  • carteroo5
    carteroo5 Online Community Member Posts: 21 Connected

    So with LCW/LCWRA people in the substantial risk category will no longer be eligible for it? Does that also mean that people with mental illness no longer exist??

    Surely this will make people in the substantial Risk category more at risk 😐

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,408 Championing

    Catherine, members need to contact their own MPs, we can’t do it for them. It’s essential they include their full name and address so their MP knows they’re a constituent. Without that, MPs are under no obligation to engage.
    I’ve met with my MP three times this past week, two face to face and one via Teams, and we’ve got another Teams meeting lined up the evening before the vote. These are the questions I raised with her on Saturday, and she’s said she will get back to us.

    • Do you accept that halving and freezing the UC health element will severely disadvantage hundreds of thousands of future disabled people from 2026?
    • Why were disabled people not consulted at all on the proposed changes, despite being the group most affected?
    • How can MPs properly scrutinise a bill that has undergone major last minute changes and bears little resemblance to the original text?
    • Can you explain how it’s democratic to push such a complex bill through in a single afternoon, with no thorough committee process or expert engagement?
    • Why are MPs being asked to vote without a formal impact assessment or OBR projections on how the changes will affect employment or care needs?
    • Do you support certifying this as a money bill, despite the fact that doing so removes the House of Lords’ ability to amend or challenge it?
    • How will the coproduction process avoid repeating the failings of the Green Paper consultation?
    • Do you consider Stephen Timms to be a genuinely independent and impartial lead for this review, given his visible role in negotiating concessions and aligning with government proposals? Would it not be better for transparency and trust to appoint someone with both lived experience and independence, such as Baroness Jane Campbell or another crossbench member of the House of Lords who can review the process objectively and without party influence?

    I would really encourage everyone to contact their own MP with similar questions or concerns. Let’s keep the pressure up.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 786 Championing

    Those who were claiming that assessors just followed the strict criteria of the assessment and were never being pressured by the DWP to meet targets by downgrading claimants' points, should read this.

    I mean those who are obsessed with links and don't believe anything unless they see a link, as if links were divine revelations despatched by God and delivered by himself by hand.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,708 Championing

    As you know, there's an ammendment tabled for 9th to remove the insistence on NHS diagnoses. News from "The Guardian" adds weight to that ammendment:

    Charity prepares legal challenge after NHS board pauses ADHD referrals for over-25s

    ADHD UK says over-25s wanting assessment with Coventry and Warwickshire board have no choice but to pay privately

    Rachel HallNotifications offMon 7 Jul 2025 11.43 BST

    A charity supporting people with attention deficit hyperactivity disorder (ADHD) is preparing a legal challenge against a regional NHS board that has temporarily stopped accepting referrals for adults over 25.

    Coventry and Warwickshire integrated care board said any new referrals for people over 25 would be paused from 21 May to reduce waiting lists for children.

    Several other ICBs, including Herefordshire and Worcestershire and some in London, have previously paused ADHD referrals but have accredited other providers for GPs to send referrals to under “right to choose” legislation.

    ADHD UK understands that this is the first time that local people aged over 25 will be able to obtain an assessment only by paying privately, which one former patient did at a cost of £1,500.

    The charity is beginning the process to mount a legal challenge under the right to choose legislation, which allows patients to choose their provider for certain healthcare services when referred by their GP.

    Henry Shelford, the chief executive of ADHD UK, said: “It’s ridiculous. We know one in 10 men and boys and one in four women and girls with ADHD will at some point try to take their own life, so we know there’s a danger.

    “We also know that ADHD medication can have a significant positive effect and you can’t get it unless you have a diagnosis. It’s part of the discrimination and a lack of taking ADHD seriously that we face every day.”

    Shelford added that it could set a worrying precedent for cash-strapped trusts cutting services elsewhere in the NHS, including other ADHD services.

    Dr Imogen Staveley, the chief medical officer at NHS Coventry and Warwickshire ICB, said the “emergency policy” had been introduced to address “the unacceptable ADHD assessment waiting times, currently affecting over 7,500 children”, some of whom were waiting up to 10 years for assessment in the local area.

    She hoped the pause would “support the development of a sustainable, all-age ADHD pathway for the future”.

    ADHD is defined by the World Health Organization as a persistent pattern of inattention or hyperactivity-impulsivity that negatively impacts academic, occupational or social functioning.

    Anita Thapar, a psychiatrist who chairs the ADHD taskforce set up by NHS England, said services were struggling because they were “playing catch-up” with the changing understanding of ADHD.

    “The research on ADHD has really matured in the last 20 years but the services have not been able to catch up with what we now know about ADHD,” she added.

    “There were concerns initially: is ADHD being overdiagnosed? The research, evidence and data used in our taskforce shows that in England – though this is not true of all countries – ADHD is under-recognised, under-diagnosed and under-treated.”

    She said that ideally ADHD would be diagnosed in childhood, but in reality many people were missed or misdiagnosed, especially females. There are negative mental and physical health outcomes – including obesity and cardiovascular disease – as well as societal ones, including an increased risk of ending up in the criminal justice system, in poverty and not doing well in school.

    Part of the problem is that services were designed when ADHD was considered rare. It is now known to affect 3-5% of the population, and therefore psychiatrists needed additional training to diagnose it, Thapar said.

    Sarah Walter, the integrated care system network director at the NHS Confederation, said integrated care boards were making tough choices about “the services they commission given the very tight financial envelope that they need to work within”.

    She added: “It is clear that current waiting lists for ADHD are too long, and commissioners and providers are having to take a pragmatic approach to respond to the needs identified. In some instances, this may mean prioritising certain groups, be it by age or length of wait.”

    David Hare, the chief executive of the Independent Healthcare Providers Network (IHPN), said there was ample “local capacity available in the independent sector which can be used to cut the backlog of care and improve access to diagnosis and treatment for all those in need, regardless of age”.

    Before the Coventry and Warwickshire board’s pause, Andy Morrison, from Coventry, paid £1,500 to get a private assessment when he was told he would have to wait up to three years on the NHS. He was developing an alcohol abuse problem and had been unable to hold a job for longer than six months. He is now on medication, which he has found life-changing.

    “I’ve never looked back and getting the diagnosis gives clarity and context – you almost grieve for the life you could have had if you had been diagnosed in the first place,” he said.

    A spokesperson for NHS England said: “ADHD services are under significant pressure from a huge rise in people coming forward, and we know that is resulting in unacceptably long waits for assessment and treatment – particularly for children and young people.

    “While local NHS teams are responsible for taking action to tackle excessive waits, the NHS has set up an ADHD taskforce to examine ways services for patients can be improved.”

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,356 Championing

    I've emailed loads mps I don't put my details in name address ect some ask but alot have responded I've emailed every other day you know before all this never once emailed him and thier vile putting through as money bill vile they must know it's a done deal already set in stone apparently if it's the lady speaker she's close with starner it's just knowing once gone through can't be challenged I was hoping or dreaming someone put a lady minute court order to say unlawful but that's wishful thinking also I'm clueless

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,408 Championing

    Only MPs have the power to vote down a bill. That’s how our system works. If we want to stop the Welfare Reform Bill, we need to persuade our own MP to vote against it. Change happens within Parliament, not through the courts, which have no authority to intervene in the legislative process.

    People have been asking really important questions about what happens to LCW and LCWRA under this bill, especially for those in the substantial risk category — and frankly, it’s still not clear. That confusion is itself a warning sign. If protections are being stripped or redefined without clarity, then yes, people will be more at risk.

    These are exactly the kinds of questions we need to be putting to our MPs, not just each other. If they don’t hear it from us, they’ll assume the risks are manageable or well understood. They are not.

    So if you're concerned, whether about mental illness being sidelined or people in the substantial risk category losing vital support, put that in your own words and send it. The uncertainty is the problem. Let your MP see the confusion this bill is causing , not just among disabled people, but across the board. If something this complex is still raising basic questions about eligibility, risk, and impact, then it’s not ready to be passed. It needs time to be properly scrutinised, not pushed through half-understood. Tell them clearly, vote it down. Not out of defiance, but out of duty to get it right.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,356 Championing

    I read substantial risk is support group which I'm in but as you said unclear

  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 175 Empowering

    I agree they should get rid of the NHS rule considering the state of it and how hard it is to get help.

    My fear is that they might remove the rule for ADHD only if they even consider it, and leave it in place for everything else.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,708 Championing

    That would be outright discrimination. The NHS idea is itself rickety in law.

  • Dav1D
    Dav1D Online Community Member Posts: 69 Empowering
    edited July 7
  • geckobat
    geckobat Online Community Member Posts: 175 Empowering

    I could see them trying to get around it by saying 'because the waiting list is above X amount of years' when the reality is the NHS is a mess all round.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 786 Championing

    "Don't you think their green paper pledge to restart reassessments from April 2026, which was published in March this year, is now defunct?"

    No, I don't think so. Neither have I come across anyone else claiming thinking so. I believe they'll abide by their pledge.

    Unless they decide to abolish reassessment of the current claimants in the LCWRA/Support Group, as the Tories proposed last year, reassessments will restart sooner or later.

    I believe their plan was, as I said it earlier, reassess all claimants with short-term and those on substantial risk from April 2026 and get rid of them. Then, discard the WCA and transfer all claimants in the LCWRA onto the Health element of the UC (as the support group of the ESA wouldn't be existing by then) and launch an accelerated mass reassessment of this group under the 4pt based scoring system and kick out as many of them as possible. This is the plan that seems to me defunct now.

    They may or may not retaliate. They may retaliate by coming up with a review that's as detrimental as the 4pt based scoring criteria. They may also not retaliate, as they've spectacularly been forced to abandon the central plank of their welfare bill, which was advertised as to be saving 5 billions, and coming up with a harsh review won't help them to revive or materialise the 5 billion savings rhetoric.

    Time will tell.

  • Asia23
    Asia23 Online Community Member Posts: 65 Empowering
    edited July 7

    Unless they decide to abolish reassessment of the current claimants in the LCWRA/Support Group, as the Tories proposed last year, reassessments will restart sooner or later.

    The Tories' proposal in November 2023 (as part of their welfare reforms) to abolish reassessment of current claimants in the LCWRA/Support group was wholly predicated on them getting through their WCA reforms, if you remember. Once they lost the election last Summer, Labour took up the Tories' appeal against Ellen Clifford's judicial review of the consultation on the WCA reform, which the High Court ruled unlawful in January this year. So Labour abandoned the Tories' WCA reform. Therefore, there is zero chance of Labour now proposing not to reassess current LCWRA/Support group claimants before they plan to abolish the WCA entirely in 2028/29.

    I do not think the Timms review will revive the 4-point PIP proposal to restrict eligibility for PIP. It has proved too damaging for Labour politically. They will never get it past the PLP in future, not after what happened last week. I also think Timms won't dare risk as onerous cuts to PIP eligibility as they hoped they could get away with early in their Parliamentary term. By the time he comes back with his proposals in the Autumn of 2026, the time it will take to get through Parliament will get them too dangerously close to the next general election cycle. I think the 4-point PIP proposal is dead for the rest of this Parliament. And a lot of political pundits think the same.

    I just don't see the rationale now for postponing WCA reassessments until after April 2026 for the low hanging fruit in LCWRA/Support Group the green paper cited they will initially target - short awards and substantial risk. Their policy document cited a saving of £300 million from off-rolling or downgrading those awards. The only barrier the DWP face currently is the lack of capacity with assessment providers. I would keep an eye on any plans for recruitment of more assessors by the providers in the near term.

    The Benefits & Work website in a recent newsletter has published that reassessments have started again. See link:

    Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill in brief

    The DWP has begun WCA reviews again. So existing LCWRA claimants may have their award reviewed before April 2026. 

    Their information is usually solid, isn't it?

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Online Community Member Posts: 17,155 Championing
    edited July 7

    I was just in the middle of emailing my MP & thought to read through about the proposed amendments, & saw that yet more amendments have been published today.

    An interesting amendment proposed by Dr Marie Tidball on p18 about the 'Timms review;' she perhaps is thinking along similar lines to @MW123 in at least having a Disability Co-Production Taskforce chaired by an independent person. Please see: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0267/amend/universal_rm_cwh_0707.pdf

    I am still going to suggest Baroness Campell as a disabled peer should be asked if she would lead the review, as was my intent when I started my email.

    Edited to add my MP has now been emailed.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 786 Championing

    There's nowhere have I said that Timms Review would revive the 4pt scoring system. They already removed it (clause 5) from their damn bill last Tuesday. Therefore, it's already dead.

    The rationale behind restarting the reassessments from April 2026 is because the bill in question will only come into force April 2026 and not before. A bill does not automatically come into force immediately after being voted in Parliament. It usually takes some time for a bill to become law and come into effect. Also, the period between when a bill is voted in Parliament and when it comes into effect allows the government, relevant bodies, and individuals, etc., to prepare for the new law's implementation. 

    Reassessments got paused only for a short period of time during the lockdown. What hasn't restarted yet is only the automatic reassessments.

  • Asia23
    Asia23 Online Community Member Posts: 65 Empowering
    edited July 7

    The rationale behind restarting the reassessments from April 2026 is because the bill in question will only come into force April 2026 and not before. 

    Ah, that makes sense.

    But what do you make of Benefits & Work's newsletter recently saying WCA reassessments have started? They wouldn't be saying that if they didn't have inside info, would they?

    I am in the initially targeted cohort (substantial risk), as you know - not sure I should rely on believing that they won't come for me until after April next year, much as the idea gives me comfort. And they can start their targeted reassessments at any time. They don't need to rely on this Bill passing through Parliament for that. They already have the power to restart reassessments of short awards and substantial risk without it.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 786 Championing

    If you click the link below, you'll see that the B&W were saying even in Dec. 2023 that the reassessments didn't stop. I recall during that time a few people were posting on B&W that they received UC50 forms, even though when asked when the last time they were assessed was or whether they ever had a proper assessment, none of them replied.

    Sure, they don't necessarily need a bill to restart what I call the automatic reassessments, but they don't want their bill to be perceived as covering only one or two things, but welfare reforms.

    As I told you on another thread, they've been reassessing claimants who were awarded LCWRA without any proper assessment during the lockdown.

    https://www.benefitsandwork.co.uk/news/reassessments-for-support-group-and-lcwra-have-not-stopped.

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