Disability Benefit Cuts - Take action before July 9th.

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  • Asia23
    Asia23 Community Member Posts: 76 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    Unless they decide to abolish reassessment of the current claimants in the LCWRA/Support Group, as the Tories proposed last year, reassessments will restart sooner or later.

    The Tories' proposal in November 2023 (as part of their welfare reforms) to abolish reassessment of current claimants in the LCWRA/Support group was wholly predicated on them getting through their WCA reforms, if you remember. Once they lost the election last Summer, Labour took up the Tories' appeal against Ellen Clifford's judicial review of the consultation on the WCA reform, which the High Court ruled unlawful in January this year. So Labour abandoned the Tories' WCA reform. Therefore, there is zero chance of Labour now proposing not to reassess current LCWRA/Support group claimants before they plan to abolish the WCA entirely in 2028/29.

    I do not think the Timms review will revive the 4-point PIP proposal to restrict eligibility for PIP. It has proved too damaging for Labour politically. They will never get it past the PLP in future, not after what happened last week. I also think Timms won't dare risk as onerous cuts to PIP eligibility as they hoped they could get away with early in their Parliamentary term. By the time he comes back with his proposals in the Autumn of 2026, the time it will take to get through Parliament will get them too dangerously close to the next general election cycle. I think the 4-point PIP proposal is dead for the rest of this Parliament. And a lot of political pundits think the same.

    I just don't see the rationale now for postponing WCA reassessments until after April 2026 for the low hanging fruit in LCWRA/Support Group the green paper cited they will initially target - short awards and substantial risk. Their policy document cited a saving of £300 million from off-rolling or downgrading those awards. The only barrier the DWP face currently is the lack of capacity with assessment providers. I would keep an eye on any plans for recruitment of more assessors by the providers in the near term.

    The Benefits & Work website in a recent newsletter has published that reassessments have started again. See link:

    Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment Bill in brief

    The DWP has begun WCA reviews again. So existing LCWRA claimants may have their award reviewed before April 2026. 

    Their information is usually solid, isn't it?

  • chiarieds
    chiarieds Community Member Posts: 17,441 Championing
    edited July 2025

    I was just in the middle of emailing my MP & thought to read through about the proposed amendments, & saw that yet more amendments have been published today.

    An interesting amendment proposed by Dr Marie Tidball on p18 about the 'Timms review;' she perhaps is thinking along similar lines to @MW123 in at least having a Disability Co-Production Taskforce chaired by an independent person. Please see: https://publications.parliament.uk/pa/bills/cbill/59-01/0267/amend/universal_rm_cwh_0707.pdf

    I am still going to suggest Baroness Campell as a disabled peer should be asked if she would lead the review, as was my intent when I started my email.

    Edited to add my MP has now been emailed.

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  • Asia23
    Asia23 Community Member Posts: 76 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    The rationale behind restarting the reassessments from April 2026 is because the bill in question will only come into force April 2026 and not before. 

    Ah, that makes sense.

    But what do you make of Benefits & Work's newsletter recently saying WCA reassessments have started? They wouldn't be saying that if they didn't have inside info, would they?

    I am in the initially targeted cohort (substantial risk), as you know - not sure I should rely on believing that they won't come for me until after April next year, much as the idea gives me comfort. And they can start their targeted reassessments at any time. They don't need to rely on this Bill passing through Parliament for that. They already have the power to restart reassessments of short awards and substantial risk without it.

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  • Asia23
    Asia23 Community Member Posts: 76 Empowering

    Well, from what you and B & W website newsletters say, then WCA reassessments have always been ongoing in however a limited way. Even more reason not to believe they will leave me alone until after April next year. My award is in a targeted category, after all.

    I was so relieved to think I would be left alone for another year when they published their plans in March... but after what happened last week in Parliament, now I'm not so sure.

    Anyway, thanks for your insight @Passerby

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  • lil12
    lil12 Community Member Posts: 17 Connected

    I was in 'support' group ESA many years ago then automatically went on to LCWRA.I believe I am classed as 'substantial risk' .

    I am unsure also ..

  • lil12
    lil12 Community Member Posts: 17 Connected

    It is all so confusing and so stressful.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community Member Posts: 417 Championing
    edited July 2025

    I am no legal expert but back in 2017 when I was called to shift from DLA to PIP, the government (Tory) had just tried to tighten PIP criteria to exclude people whose disabilities were mental health related (in essence, remove psychological distress as a factor). For this reason my entire (autism, not mental health) related claim was rewritten and rejected as anxiety, for which I didn't claim and didn't have support.

    This policy change was legally challenged and was ruled to be against equalities legislation. Removing eligibility for conditions based on political opinion and not medical fact would probably be treading this same ground, and there is already a precedent for ruling it out.

    A person with no medical or other training is not in a position to determine that ADHD is not a significantly disabling condition, for example (nor is it necessarily a mh condition, either).

    I may be wrong, but my theory is that the govt went after the points, not the conditions, because (Starmer being a lawyer), they knew that if they started singling out conditions by name for exclusion, they would face the same costly legal rigmarole somewhere down the line.

    As for the British Citizen thing, that's general Tory policy at the moment, Badenoch announced that they want disability benefits to be paid to people with British citizenship or EU residents who have settled status here. Something about 1 in 4 households claiming PIP having a non British citizen. As usual the Tories have gone for the divisive approach. We have no stats on whether non British citizens are even claiming anything, nor am I sure if it matters…it's just to appeal to the right.

  • Asia23
    Asia23 Community Member Posts: 76 Empowering

    Hello @Catherine21

    The only way to know if you have been awarded under the 'substantial risk' provisions is to ask for a copy of the WCA assessor's report.

    If you are in ESA Support group, the form you need to ask for is the ESA85 if you underwent a face to face or telephone work capability assessment. But, if you didn't have one of those assessments and it was awarded without seeing you/talking to you, then it means it was a paper-based assessor's report. In that case the form you need to ask for is the ESA85A. If you are in the ESA Support group, then phone the ESA helpline on 0800 169 0310 to ask for it to be posted to you. You are entitled to see it.

    If you have UC LCWRA, the form you need to ask for is the UC85 (if you had a face to face or phone work capability assessment). If it was a paper-based WCA, the form you ask for is the UC85A. If you are UC LCWRA, you won't have a work coach, so put a message in your journal under 'payments' and you can leave a message asking for a copy of your report with your case manager to be uploaded for you to have.

    Hope that helps. But, that is the only way of finding out - getting a copy of the health professional's report. Good luck.

  • Asia23
    Asia23 Community Member Posts: 76 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    Sorry @Catherine21

    I don't know very much about the SCC (severe conditions criteria?)… I know that in 2017, they brought it in for people who have medically evidenced illness/disability that is life-long and progressive where their functional ability will only worsen and so they will never be fit for work, so that they should be spared from WCA reassessment. I also have read that the severe conditions criteria is due to be revised again and made more harsh to qualify for under the new bill, which is being debated on 9th July at the 3rd reading.

    I have never heard of anyone who has been in ESA Support group or UC LCWRA with an award granted under substantial risk who also qualifies under the severe conditions criteria. But, maybe it is possible to be granted it on a case by case basis depending on the life-long severity and functional limitations of your specific illness/disability. I really have no idea.

    The only way for you to find out if your award is 'substantial risk' is to contact them and get a copy of your report, as I've said. Maybe a friend or family member can help you with that if you can't face contacting them on your own. There really is no other way of finding out, I'm afraid.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,352 Championing

    @Catherine21 I don't believe the Speaker will accept this as a Money Bill. It does not fit the criteria that have been outlined here several times. It would set a difficult parliamentary precedent were it to be accepted as a Money Bill.

    I'd be surprised were the Tory ammendment re MH/ ASD, etc were selected for debate. If it were, it would be voted down.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    Hi Danny, was just backtracking a little as I missed a few messages.

    I noticed you said you hadn't been assessed for 6 years. It was at least 12 years for me ! could be longer, I went from incapacity to ESA like you, though I was on the one before incapacity as well but cant remember the name now lol. I brought this up more than once on the Benefits and Work forum, I cannot remember ever receiving any decision or anything else. I told B&W that I had still not been assessed all these years later, I was told I will have been, but maybe without the forms or anything else. Not a clue how assessment timings work at all, how they choose who to assess and at what time baffles me. I think in the last 20 odd plus years could be longer I have had one out of the blue phone call from DWP from a man who asked a couple of questions and that was it and that was years and years ago. I did not receive any paperwork at all after that call though B&W said I will have done, I didn't, I am meticulous about keeping all DWP etc paperwork of any kind in a box file I have had for years, every letter is ''filed'' (sp - head not functioning lol ) in its envelope and kept securely. So nope, I like you have no idea when assessments are flagged. I am at some peace now in that I recently became a pensioner lol, lets see how long that respite lasts 🤣

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    God knows 😂 the DWP has always been behind but with all these new reforms I have a feeling that existing claimants may not hear anything until the reforms come in and are completed for new claims .... Like you say z who knows how they work at the minute

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  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,352 Championing

    You're not crazy. She is a vile racist/ nationalist. She forgets that non-British people pay NI as employers and employees, pay Income tax, and VAT. This ammendment has no chance.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,466 Championing

    Is there also a PIP Assessors form that we are entitled to see ?

  • Autumnleaf
    Autumnleaf Community Member Posts: 989 Empowering

    Can I just ask a question? I understand your reasoning, except for the part about those with short-term and/or substantial risk awards. If their plan was to reassess these claimants from April 2026 and get rid of them first why might that have changed? Won't the WCA criteria be the same whether or not the 4point PIP rule came into force or not?

  • Asia23
    Asia23 Community Member Posts: 76 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    Hello @Wibbles

    Yes, there is. If you had a face to face or phone/video assessment, the form you ask for is the PA4. If you were awarded after a paper-based assessment, the form you ask for is the PA3. Phone the PIP enquiry line to ask for it to be posted out to you. Call 0800 121 4433.

    Bear in mind, however, there may not actually be an assessor's report if your PIP award has recently been reviewed on paper scrutiny. This is because your assessment may not have needed to be sent to an assessment provider at all if you provided sufficient information so that it could be renewed by the DWP Decision Maker directly, particularly if there has been no material change since last awarded. A lot of PIP awards have been renewed on that basis recently, particularly because of the backlogs. In that instance, the statement of reasons for awarding you is provided within the body of your new award letter.

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