Disability Benefit Cuts - Take action before July 9th.

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  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,352 Championing

    The Bill has cleared all stages through the Commons. The third reading is over. The government won, despite concessions.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    Just talking about you and here you appear 😊

  • Nat_88
    Nat_88 Community Member Posts: 9 Connected

    So as a money bill does that mean the Lords will have no say?

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    They do but the Government don't have to listen to objections which is a shame and we think we live in a democracy.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Posts: 1,128 Championing

    So it's definitely going to happen that after April 2026 new LCWRA claimants will be on much less money each month?

  • Zipz
    Zipz Community Member Posts: 4,352 Championing
    edited July 2025

    Has the Bill been certified as a Money Bill? Where is the information? "Expected to be certified" does not equal "certified". Very worrying.

  • Nat_88
    Nat_88 Community Member Posts: 9 Connected

    I see, thanks for the explanation. Ah yes, our great democracy where an MP can be punished for ‘voting the wrong way’…🤦‍♀️

    I’m feeling pretty hopeless at the moment, is there anything else that can be done to stop these cuts and changes from happening or are they inevitable now?

  • Dav1D
    Dav1D Community Member Posts: 78 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    Exhausting

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    @Passerby I didn't watch 🤦

    Has anything changed in our position after tonight's vote ....In regards to our thinking ?

    ESA / lcwra but no pip ....

    Maybe another reassessment under wca ....

    Depending on when it is hopefully should take us up to April 2028 ....

    Then good chance it will be new claiments getting reassessed first with new pip assessment for health element....

    Hopefully existing claimants won't get reassessed till earliest 2029 ....

    Anything tonight that has changed that outlook ?

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  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Community Member Posts: 414 Trailblazing

    I'm in the group who do not trust Timms one inch.

    His statement around the inclusion of the word 'constantly' was worrying. He mumbled about it not being a change. It is a change.

    What Timms implied when he said, paraphrasing here, the constantly element will only apply to the task attempted when a person with a severe condition is in a regression phase of their condition i.e. in regression they will be constantly unable to complete a task.

    I think most conditions are variable to greater/lesser degrees. It seems to me Timms is cherry-picking the conditions he considers to be variable, and will be applying the 'constantly' requirement to all other conditions, which very few people, if any, will meet.

    For myself, for example, I can leave home once in a while with someone with me. Even less frequently, I can go out to, say, an ATM on my own when the roads are empty or I can go to my local butcher when he opens at 6:30am and no-one is around. That means I am not constantly unable to leave home whenever I attempt to do so - which is I am unable 99% of the time I attempt to do so, but not constantly unable.

    In short, I believe the use of the word 'constantly' was deliberate, and will be taken literally by assessors under DWP instruction. If it were not deliberate, they would have used 'consistently', rather than 'constantly'.

    His statement around co-production was even worse, imo. Rather than confirm every participant in the review would have the right of veto, he said the Review would operate on a basis of consensus. That means the make-up of the Review Committee will be key in this. If it's top-heavy with compliant Labour MPs they will ride roughshod over our representatives.

    I feel just about everything he says is said with a forked-tongue, and MPs walked into his trap.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    Sorry Zipz, my head is mush and I cant remember where I read it now ugh and cant find it because I have looked at so many links. All I remember is something about the green paper bill itself could not be certified as a money bill but the outcome of Universal Credit bill has been ? That's what I read, it might all become clearer tomorrow hopefully 😊

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    Yep exactly, just a play on words as I wrote when I hammered my keyboard earlier 😁

  • mawempathy
    mawempathy Community Member Posts: 150 Empowering

    DIdn't Timms say the majority engaged and represented in the review will be disabled people and disability groups? I think that was another concession.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    Hi Dav1d ,

    Does this mean as long as you fit the descriptor criteria you’re eligible for scc for pip and lcwra and you don’t have to have symptoms constantly but most of the time ?

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Community Member Posts: 415 Pioneering

    I think the Spinal Injuries Association are upbeat about it. However I wish a shared their enthusiasm. I don't trust the government one bit. I predict they'll sneak something through to do with ESA without much challenge. My concerns are what will the new descriptors be for PIP coming down the line. One thing is for sure it won't be to our advantage. Sorry I don't mean to be downbeat tonight.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Community Member Posts: 2,052 Championing

    I think we need to record every assessment so they know they can’t lie . Don’t even rely on them recording as they played a trick on me last time.

  • Girl_No1
    Girl_No1 Community Member Posts: 414 Trailblazing

    I must have missed that! Assuming he did say it, and he honours that statement, then that's good news.

    I'm afraid I just don't trust him. I think he's slippery, is adept at playing semantics, and has his eyes firmly set on a seat in the Lords.

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