Disability Benefit Cuts - Take action before July 9th.

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  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Online Community Member Posts: 51 Contributor

    The reason loads of them haven't come back in is because they saw how many voted aye and know it has passed.

  • Dav1D
    Dav1D Online Community Member Posts: 75 Empowering

    UC and PIP bill third reading

    17.59 parliament tv  Stephen Timms, DWP disability minister on the severe conditions criteria

    "The severe conditions criteria in the bill exactly reflects how the functional tests are applied at present.  That is in guidance. It’s being moved in this bill into legislation.  It does take account of Parkinson’s.  It does take account of MS.  Because people need to meet the descriptors reliably, safely, repeatedly and in a reasonable time frame.  And so I can give a very firm assurance to those who are concerned about how the severe conditions criteria will work for those on fluctuating conditions.

    "The word constantly here refers, as I said in my intervention earlier, to the functional criteria needing to apply at all times, not to somebody’s symptoms."

  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Online Community Member Posts: 51 Contributor
    edited July 2025

    Anybody know if it definitely went through as a money bill?

  • apples
    apples Online Community Member Posts: 556 Empowering

    Is it good or bad that it’s been voted to get a 3rd hearing

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    David, thank you for the statement. It might just be me and it probably is, but sometimes I believe these things are just a play on words. I really don't want to sound negative but I have deep reservations about the descriptors as it is and especially where those descriptors are given a value by assessors who are often times not even qualified to do assessments, let alone consider safely, reliably, in a timely manner etc.

  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Online Community Member Posts: 51 Contributor

    That was the third reading. Money bill or not, it now passes to the Lords. Although if it actually is a money bill, there's no guarantee that any objections from the Lords will be listened to.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    apples its just progressing as they normally do, I think to the House of Lords next but could be wrong. Oh and I know nothing about money bills sorry.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    How do we find out if it is a money bill ? Is there an announcement ?

  • snuggles65
    snuggles65 Online Community Member Posts: 134 Contributor

    So are the pip changes going to affect existing claims or is everyone new and existing going to be affected.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    I have just read that the resulting bill has been treated as a money bill where it relates to the universal credit bill. I believe Zipz put a document up earlier that explains in detail.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 4,351 Championing

    The Bill has cleared all stages through the Commons. The third reading is over. The government won, despite concessions.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering

    Just talking about you and here you appear 😊

  • Nat_88
    Nat_88 Online Community Member Posts: 9 Connected

    So as a money bill does that mean the Lords will have no say?

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 303 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    They do but the Government don't have to listen to objections which is a shame and we think we live in a democracy.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Online Community Member Posts: 973 Championing

    So it's definitely going to happen that after April 2026 new LCWRA claimants will be on much less money each month?

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 4,351 Championing
    edited July 2025

    Has the Bill been certified as a Money Bill? Where is the information? "Expected to be certified" does not equal "certified". Very worrying.

  • Nat_88
    Nat_88 Online Community Member Posts: 9 Connected

    I see, thanks for the explanation. Ah yes, our great democracy where an MP can be punished for ‘voting the wrong way’…🤦‍♀️

    I’m feeling pretty hopeless at the moment, is there anything else that can be done to stop these cuts and changes from happening or are they inevitable now?

  • Dav1D
    Dav1D Online Community Member Posts: 75 Empowering
    edited July 2025

    Exhausting

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 223 Empowering

    @Passerby I didn't watch 🤦

    Has anything changed in our position after tonight's vote ....In regards to our thinking ?

    ESA / lcwra but no pip ....

    Maybe another reassessment under wca ....

    Depending on when it is hopefully should take us up to April 2028 ....

    Then good chance it will be new claiments getting reassessed first with new pip assessment for health element....

    Hopefully existing claimants won't get reassessed till earliest 2029 ....

    Anything tonight that has changed that outlook ?

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