Disability Benefit Cuts - Take action before July 9th.

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  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,707 Championing

    Here's what I wrote about the Bill as a Money Bill earlier. See below. Even if the Speaker does certify it as a Money Bill, the Bill could not be passed by recess. It's only two weeks away.

    IMHO, this Bill does not meet Money Bill criteria. However, the status of the Bill is now up to the Speaker. His decision might not be immediate in this case. Perhaps we won't know until the Bill reaches the Lords. The House rises for recess on 24th. Here's the latest from B & W:

    What happens next

    At the time of writing we do not know if the bill has been certified as a money bill.  If it has not, then it will go to the Lords who can put forward amendments in the normal way.

    If it is a money bill, it will still go to the House of Lords, but this is a formality.  In theory, the Lords can suggest amendments but, because it is a money bill, the government are free to simply ignore them.  After one month the bill as currently written will become law.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 299 Empowering

    We consider this reassurance to be disingenuous.  We’ll be writing more about this in the near future.

    Yep I do too, that's the exact part I need convincing of where it relates to conditions.

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 786 Championing
  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 299 Empowering

    Yet lots more to come with parts not even voted on yet. It will remain like this for the foreseeable future, think we just need to accept what we have been told for now, then prepare for the next round of this circus.

  • Danny123
    Danny123 Online Community Member Posts: 181 Empowering

    Well that's not as terrible as it could of been I spose 🤷.... Just need to concentrate on passing a standard WCA , you never know we may get lucky and satisfy the SCC criteria aswell , then that will take us up to when the WCA gets scrapped which should be around April time .... And let's face it that will be a big undertaking so there's a good chance we won't have anything to do with the new pip assessment until some time in 2029 , then we just will need to go from there

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,352 Championing
  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 7,352 Championing

    So we don't know if it's a money bill is that what your saying head all over the place

  • Passerby
    Passerby Posts: 786 Championing

    What they called "Duty to engage" is another thing to be concerned about, as they said in their Green Paper that they would consult on whether to make this engagement a requirement to benefits entitlement. However, since they've failed to get the 4pt system, which was a central pillar to their plan, through, they might not be pushing this hard, as they know after all that it won't produce positive results to boast about.

    This duty to engage is part of the "Pathways to work", which is the work of Alan Milburn, who got paid to make recommendations.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,707 Championing

    We don't know yet whether it has been certified as a Money Bill.

  • lil12
    lil12 Online Community Member Posts: 16 Connected
  • jasminehoop
    jasminehoop Online Community Member Posts: 48 Contributor

    I think it means another (or maybe more than one) Bill in the future, yeh. I can't keep up tbh!

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 299 Empowering
    edited July 10

    Catherine, Jasmine got this info from B&W

    From the Benefits and Work website:

    "Proposals such as the abolition of the WCA, the proposal to amalgamate contributory ESA and JSA into a single time limited contributory benefit  and not paying 18-21 year old PIP recipients the health element of UC is not affected by last night’s vote.  They will all require separate legislation of their own."

    So it looks like those issues are yet to be legislated on, as clear as mud as always ☺️

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 384 Pioneering

    Benefits and Work Site under News - recently posted.

    News

    Universal Credit Bill listed as money bill for House of Lords

     Published: 10 July 2025

    The Universal Credit Bill (formerly the Universal Credit and Personal Independence Payment bill) has been listed for its second reading in the House of  Lords as a money bill.

    According to the UK Parliament website, the second reading and all remaining stages of the Universal Credit (Money Bill) will take place on 22 July.

    This means that the Lords can suggest amendments, but the Commons can simply ignore them and the bill will become law one month after it completes all its stages in the Lords.

    Along with racing through the committee, report and third reading stage of the bill in the Commons in a single session yesterday, this is another tactic by Labour to prevent any scrutiny of legislation that will take money away from hundreds of thousands of future disabled universal credit claimants.

    It also makes it even harder to trust that the government will be seriously interested in the views of disabled people when the Timms review begins its work after the summer.  Genuine consultation does not seem to be something that this Labour government can bear to be involved in.


  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 299 Empowering
    edited July 10

    OMG YogiBear ( sorry about the name mix up my head today ugh.) I was almost convinced it would not go through 😡This really is a serious blow, so sneaky and underhand the lot of them.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,707 Championing
    edited July 10

    @YogiBear Thank you. Stunned. The stampede to get this through is startling. It's 48 hours before recess. The House will be empty.

    EDIT: The Commons' ammendments to the Bill reduced it to such a degree that what remains could legitimately be certified as a Money Bill as it reaches the Lords: "Make provision to alter the rates of the standard allowance, limited capability for work element and limited capability for work and work-related activity element of universal credit and the rates of income-related employment and support allowance."

  • YogiBear
    YogiBear Online Community Member Posts: 384 Pioneering

    I'm shocked. I've emailed a number of disability charities etc just to make them aware of this.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 299 Empowering

    I just knew it, how can we now have faith ( not that we ever did ) that Timms will conduct an honest and fair consultation.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 299 Empowering

    Stunned too Zipz, after reading there were parts of the bill that would stop it becoming a money bill.

  • mrsBB
    mrsBB Online Community Member Posts: 299 Empowering

    They just do not care, what an eye opener this whole sorry saga has been.

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