Means Testing PIP - Whats everyone thoughts?

Options
2

Comments

  • Community_Scope
    Community_Scope Posts: 1,919 Empowering

    Hello everyone,

    We want this discussion to continue, but we’re concerned that things are becoming quite tense and could easily escalate.

    Please remember that all discussions on Scope’s online community should remain civil, supportive, and safe.

    We will continue to closely monitor this discussion, but if it escalates further, we may choose to pause, close, or even hide the discussion.

    For more information, please read our online community house rules.

  • rubin16
    rubin16 Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 932 Championing

    @Biblioklept I can see your now being attacked. I'm sorry. Theres just no hope for this forum anymore it looks like. You can't have a simple discussion anymore without being attacked.

  • Biblioklept
    Biblioklept Online Community Member Posts: 215 Empowering

    I've not said I don't want to discuss it, I'm more than happy to, I'm just not getting into an argument about the kind of derogatory comments others have made and will focus on my thoughts instead and the actual discussion instead.

    I've also not said anything about it being a reward for home ownership (or the opposite), I'm saying given that they are saying that the welfare bill is too large, I think the fairest thing is to prioritise those who cannot sustain themselves without it, rather than their current 4 point rule, which blanketly ditches 1 in 4 people off of PIP.

    How would I personally means test it?

    I wouldn't. I strongly believe it's fairer than their 1 in 4 rule, but it's not something I'd want to see happen. I think there are plenty of better ways the government should and could be balancing their books rather than attacking benefits at all.

    But if I had to find a way to means test, I'd say those earning over £100,000 a year or with more than £25,000 in savings would be a good place to start. Whether that would make any actual difference, I have no idea as even the government doesn't have access to that information and doesn't collate financial status of PIP claimants

  • Biblioklept
    Biblioklept Online Community Member Posts: 215 Empowering

    Thanks @rubin16 I thought it was a great discussion and was really sad it went this way, I hope you're okay and don't let it put you off! People get very defensive of their opinions, especially when it involves money ❤️

    I just don't like the trope that unless you have thousands in the bank and own your own home, you must be lazy, squander money and have no resilience or discipline - feels a bit off topic and very divisive!

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,666 Championing
    edited July 21

    I have not attacked @Biblioklept . Neither have I suggested that those with the very least are unworthy in some way. I've been in that position.

    There's a world of difference though between an income of £100,000 per annum and £25,000 in the bank. Most people could live on £100K per year. £25,000 without other income is considered less than a single person needs a year to live a reasonable life. I live on less, BTW. But £25K would not last long.

    You are not under attack.

    @Community_Scope

    @Albus_Scope

    @Holly_Scope

  • Community_Scope
    Community_Scope Posts: 1,919 Empowering

    Hi all

    Where possible we like all discussions to continue, but we’re choosing to pause this discussion for now so we can review it. For more information, please read our online community house rules.

    We will review it and if we are satisfied the discussion can continue, we will hope to un-pause it by later this afternoon.

  • Community_Scope
    Community_Scope Posts: 1,919 Empowering

    Following review, we have now unpaused this discussion.

    Please remember that all discussions on Scope’s online community should remain civil, supportive, and safe.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,221 Championing

    It's a no from me as well. I imagine the administration would cost more than the savings.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,666 Championing

    I'm against means-testing.

    However, due to severe manual disability and exhaustion, I mistyped a "means-test option" twice in the posts above. I meant "Limit it to people paying below the 40% and above tax rates?"

    Sorry for any confusion.

    I don't pay much tax and as interest rates fall will pay less but I'm still very much against any qualifying disabled person losing PIP because they're considered financially OK.

    Nonetheless, there will be changes and I suspect the government might use the tax system as it did for Child Allowance if the savings were high enough.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 2,221 Championing

    We'll find out before long I expect. Starmer is bound to keep on disappointing all but the financier class.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,666 Championing
    edited July 21

    Can @Community_Scope explain how members "support" other members who would quite happily rip PIP away from anyone with more than a few thousand in savings?

    I don't think anyone in this thread was "uncivil".

    Yes. We all need to stay "safe" in this atrocious political era.

  • Community_Scope
    Community_Scope Posts: 1,919 Empowering

    We realise that this is a very emotional topic for many and each person will have their own individual experiences informing their views. The house rules aren't designed to mean you must support a member's views if you disagree.

    They are there to ensure members are civil to each other despite disagreements or differences in opinion.

    Even when feeling strongly about something, it's important not to let it get personal and escalate into arguments that leave others feeling hurt.

  • Trevor_PIP
    Trevor_PIP Online Community Member Posts: 374 Empowering
    edited July 21

    I am a definite NO for means testing PIP. I can't add anymore to what has already been said by other members, but I agree with what other members have said and "liked" those posts.

    The government should look elsewhere for savings, nobody can understand why PIP has been targeted first, it's all you hear outside from other people and I'll leave it at that....

  • Binky1234
    Binky1234 Online Community Member Posts: 478 Empowering

    I don't think it should be means tested at all before I was transferred over to ADP if PIP were means tested then I would not have got anything due to hubby's income.

    This benefit gives me back some of my independence in so many ways.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 2,530 Championing

    In my opinion, we have all been respectful to one another and as far as I can see nobody has "attacked" anyone on this thread but merely expressed differences of opinion as we do on any other subject.

    Any way as I understand it the government aren't intending to means test pip

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 2,666 Championing

    @luvpink This was published last month. There is still a lot of debate on X. I assume this to be the source of the OP's question/ answer opening gambit.

    Screenshot_20250722_113857_Chrome.jpg