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Is this lwcra ?
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Thanks for the link @alexroda. It's concerning for current claimants like myself. In the Green Paper it stated 'new claimants only' and now after reading this I don't think that's going to be the case. Whatever the government plans to do re ESA (CB) I think they will sneakily get it through without too much notice.
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thank you.
That’s What I was thinking about legal challenges to CBESA by DPAC.
I think there’s a case there, and it will be fought in the courts if they remove the CBESA for people who just can’t work anymore in their lifetime after having contributed for a number of years and yes, seems to me that as soon as a human being gets some sort of power, corruption is pretty much inevitable.
thank you for the threads, but you rescued my faulty memory, as in regards to the possible legal challenges as mentioned above regarding DPAC. So thankfully I won’t need to go through them.
and yes, I agree with u to our point regarding insurers and CBESA
let’s wait and see what Liebour come up with.1 -
Has the government not scrapped the planned white paper? I think the government have done this as they didn't think they could get all the planned disability reforms through in one go. They are now doing the planned reforms bit by bit (possibly to get said reforms) through easier.
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Hi, I dont know sorry. Id suggest anyone one wanting to know, just giving DPAC a nudge now and again, send a short email, just asking, if there has been any developments, and posting any info on here for us all to see.
Thats all I did. ATB
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Westminster pushing unemployment insurance is designed to groom people into taking out private insurance as they'll think the state will abandon them in their time of need. It's the same reason they're defunding the NHS to groom people into accepting a privatised US-style system (and hence eugenics towards anyone who cannot pay for this, just lok at the US).
While private insurance does have it's uses ((like if you travel abroad and may not qualify for a state's unempoyment system), it should always be an extra option, not an essential one.
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@stellar.
I was sold an 'income protection policy' which I paid into for years, which will be completely worthless, if they cancel NS-ESA and move me to UC.
(That they can get away with this is staggering and unbelievable, but as its New Labour it doesnt surprise me)
Prior to the proposals in the Pathways to Work Green Paper, Parliamentary evidence from 2020, submitted by insurers and financial associations showed how Universal Credit rules treated private income protection benefits as "unearned income," leading to pound-for-pound reductions in UC entitlement rendering income protection policies, PPPs, of little value for some claimants and how this deliberate deprivation, by government, only makes people worse off, and in fact, the green paper has doubled down on this deliberate deprivation, by proposing cancelling NS-ESA, which succeeded Incapacity Benefit, and Invalidity benefit, and since 1911, there has been an earned entitlement based upon National Insurance contributions (serving a different purpose and underpinned by fundamentally different principles than Universal Credit), a kind of premium in the event of unemployment caused by sickness or incurable illness.
committees.parliament.uk/writtenevidence/1077/pdf/
AVIVA – WRITTEN EVIDENCE (EUC0121)
The economics of Universal Credit
Aviva is the UK’s largest insurer and a leading provider of life insurance, critical illness and income protection. We have extensive experience in supporting customers to return to work following an ill health related absence from work – a service which is provided as part of our individual and group (employer based) protection policies.
Income protection policies have the twin aims of providing financial support for those who are unable to work and practical support to help those individuals return to the workplace as soon as possible.
Our response to the committee focuses on the interaction between Universal Credit and individual income protection (“IIP”) policies and the impact this has on claimants.
By bringing together out-of-work benefits and tax credits, the purpose of Universal Credit was to provide both in- and out-of-work support to claimants.
It was introduced with the aim of simplifying and streamlining the benefits system, improving work incentives, and tackling poverty among low income families. Put more simply, the DWP said “Universal Credit will make work pay and increase financial incentives for people to work more”.
It is in the interest of the Government, employers, , individuals impacted by sickness absence and society as a whole to encourage claimants to return to work after a period of sickness as quickly as possible.
Doing so reduces welfare and NHS costs, increases tax and NIC receipts and improves social capital and financial resilience of the UK population.
However, the current Universal Credit rules on individual income protection are counter to this behaviour which Government wishes to promote.
Universal Credit rules penalise individuals who protect themselves against sickness absence by taking out Individual Income Protection (“IIP”). IIP benefits are treated as ‘unearned income’ for Universal Credit rules.
This results in a £1 reduction in entitlement to Universal Credit for every £1 of IIP benefit received. The rules send the wrong policy signal – that there is no reward for improving your own financial resilience. There is no equivalent dis-incentive (to the Universal Credit rules) included in other areas of Government policy.
Where an individual makes private pension contributions their state pension is not reduced in proportion to those from private savings. In contrast, private pension savings are incentivised (via pension tax relief) as it is accepted by Government that it is desirable for individuals to reduce the potential burdens on the welfare state that would otherwise result. The public policy need to promote protection by individuals against the potential costs of sickness absence is an analogous situation to the need to privately save a sufficient amount for retirement. In effect, this is about encouraging behaviours that boost financial resilience throughout the life course, not just in old age.
Any private provision for protection should be actively encouraged as it will directly reduce the costs on the state in terms of welfare spending, health costs, and increased tax and NIC receipts.
A recent NPI report1 sets out the scale of the issue;
Aviva: Internal
54% of all IIP policyholders are estimated to have an entitlement to Universal Credit. There were approximately 1 million IIP policies in force in 2017.
Universal Credit regulations prescribe that as a form of unearned income, an IIP benefit reduces Universal Credit entitlement £ for £.
When account is taken of the IIP in payment, NPI estimated that:
39% of all policyholders would have their entitlement to Universal Credit (“without IIP”) removed by IIP;
15% of all policyholders would continue to be entitled to a Universal Credit award alongside their IIP.
This result creates problems for consumers and Government.
IIP policyholders could not have anticipated this problem when purchasing their IIP.
For Government – this clear disincentive will, perversely, increase Universal Credit costs and reduce financial resilience as consumers retreat from taking IIP out.
DWP has provided a welcome disregard to these rules (in their Universal Credit guidance) for any part of IIP payments used to cover mortgage repayments.
Something with a similar effect to the treatment of mortgage repayments but designed for tenants would offer equality across housing tenures and ensure that typically younger and less affluent sections of society are not unfairly penalised for having taken positive steps to improve their own financial resilience.
This is especially important when you consider that the factor which has driven in-work poverty most over the last 25 years (in increasing from 13% to 18%) is the increased housing costs for lower income households compared to higher income households.
The IFS have estimated that this has pushed up in-work poverty by 2.4 % since 1994. This is “the result of much higher growth in private and social rental costs, compared to owner occupied housing costs, which have fallen, and the falling proportion of low-income households that own their own home”.
2 The combination of these factors also brings into focus the need to more closely align the Universal Credit rules with certain wider Government objectives; the desire to promote financial resilience of households (driven by the Money and Pensions Service) and to improve the fairness and the effectiveness of the rental market. Now, is the right time to shine a light on these issues to ensure there is public clarity about welfare provision and to provide a consistency of approach that will allow individuals and families to take the actions needed to develop the financial resilience necessary both for the knowns of retirement and old age and the unknown ‘bumps in the road’ on the way. The Government should therefore conduct a review into the current treatment of IIP in Universal Credit with a view to establishing whether an alternative approach could improve financial resilience and reduce the cost of welfare.
28 February 2020
This report accurately highlights the rise in 'in work' poverty was due to increased housing costs. New Labour priced millions of middle income earners out of housing by encouraging and overseeing the biggest mortgage credit bubble in history under Blair and Brown, as banksters were encouraged to pour hundreds of billions into the housing market, in Labours era of free money and zero regulation, inflating house prices from circa 3x salary, in 1997, up to 9x salary by 2008, then Brown bailed out the banks, propping up house prices at 9x salary, followed by QE in 2009, which enabled central banks to give us a decade of the longest prolonged period, of the lowest level of IR throughout the whole of recorded history, for 5000 years! (IR control house prices)
IMO the entire western world should just default.
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With regard to "resetting the clock" for existing contributions based ESA for support group, ESA WRAG also used to be indefinite, but they closed that down and brought in a maximum of 1 year for existing as well as new contributions based ESA WRAG claimants. Maybe 10 years ago? So this is extremely worrying I agree.
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Will do.
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I been reading about scc criteria on health element near impossible the condition needs to be constant 24/7 all of this they are deliberately taking democracy the and wreaking the UK
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