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I regularly meditate via Youtube
This one works best for me
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What a beautiful idea. Griefmas. Yes! Thank you for posting that. I've registered. Are you doing it?
Fabulous! I listened to it last night to put me to sleep. It knocked me out before the end! Thank you 🙏🏼😊
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I really appreciate it that she mentions different kind of griefs (from time to time I am so fed up with chronics or disabled people being invisible, but thankfully not today), but the session of an hour is too long for me, @StarryEyed.
There is also this session on Sunday night with Vimalasara, it is an hour and a half, but I'm hoping to be there for the first 30 min. Fingers crossed.
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Hi @SmellyBin. I've already got plans on the date of that meditation. But thank you for the suggestion. Hopefully we can do another one together. That would be great!
Back in the '90s, one of my favorite therapists introduced me to the classic model of grieving by Kubler-Ross, which defines five stages of grief (denial, anger, bargaining, depression and acceptance). My therapist had done her thesis on grieving using this model, with an undergraduate degree in nursing. So it was a very interesting perspective on the model. By that time already in the '90s, this model, which had been created in the 60s, was being used for grieving many different things, like this grief meditation will be doing. This model is one of the cornerstones of my living. One of the biggest concerns in my life right now is grieving my able body and my able-bodied life. So you see your suggestion is quite fitting and very much appreciated. Again, thank you.
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Yo @StarryEyed
Unlike IT, on Sangha Live the sessions are being recorded and available through the Dharma Library a few days later.
Yeah, about grief… Manu Keirse has written about grief, I read his book Grief is Love, because if you didn’t love it, you wouldn’t be crying for losing it.
I am not exactly sure, but I think he is the one who came up with a different sort of grief that translates as ‘loss that is alive’ (levend verlies), about grieving things that are not linear or a one-way street, becoming ill is like that, he states.
It is not just about having to deal with new boundaries, but how – with a disabled body – these boundaries can differ from time to time. The same goes for other consequences about no longer being the able-bodied version of yourself: losing friends and family members, lack of support, ignorance, staying behind when people around you move on (sometimes literally by going from A to B, or proverbially by getting a new job, house, going on holidays), being invisible to society, dreams being squashed, you name it.
His books are published in Dutch and French.For some (I remember from a blog, unfortunately also not in English) this sort of ‘loss that is alive’ gets more intense the longer they are ill, instead of (like I was expecting and unnecessarily keep telling myself) things getting easier over time, that you can get used to the difficult circumstances. As if we should be able to simply sail through it, as society keeps telling us (but that is a slightly different discussion perhaps).
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Apparently, the common term for this in English is chronic sorrow. And yes, it can hit you on the most unexpected moments - sounds indeed familiar… and I quite like the description in the last sentence.
This is what the AI assistant tells me:
A commonly used English translation for “levend verlies” is chronic sorrow; sometimes people also say living loss to keep the link with the Dutch term.
Translation options
Chronic sorrow: this is the established term in anglophone literature for ongoing grief linked to long-term illness, disability or other enduring losses, and it is also explicitly mentioned as the English equivalent of “levend verlies”.Living loss: this is a more literal rendering and is also cited as an English name for the same phenomenon, highlighting that the loss is present while the person or situation is still “alive” and ongoing.
What “levend verlies” means
“Levend verlies” refers to a chronic form of grief that arises when expectations, identity, or a future image have to be let go, for example around disability, chronic illness, addiction or psychiatric problems in oneself or a loved one.Unlike grief after a death, the situation and the confrontations with limitations continue, so the grief can return repeatedly or even intensify over time, instead of steadily decreasing.
According to Manu Keirse
Manu Keirse introduced the Dutch term “levend verlies” around 2017 to describe lifelong grief that never fully ends, but moves with someone through life and can flare up again at expected and unexpected moments.In his view, this is not a disorder but a normal reaction to a loss without a clear endpoint: there is no “processing and being done”, but rather “surviving and carrying” the loss like a shadow that is usually behind you, but can suddenly stand right in front of you again.
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Hi @SmellyBin and thank you from the bottom of my heart for telling me about the Griefmas meditation. It was really more a talk than a meditation, but I totally loved it. I've never done online talks or meditations in a group, so it was very special. They have tons of great topics, so I will definitely attend again.
Levend Verlies looks like it's right up my alley for many issues, not just losing my ability to walk. Thank you for this very helpful and interesting information. I will definitely look into it.
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If the Universe is willing and the spoons are with me, I'll be joining this free session Enter Into Sacred Space On Christmas at the end of the afternoon today. Padma Gordon has a nice voice and does very soothing guided meditations.
You are invited to join Padma for a meditation on Christmas Eve morning. Let us come together in sacred space to drop into the silent, holy beauty of this time of year. We are in the window of Winter Solstice, Chanukah and Christmas--it is a time of celebration and also a tender time for many of us who have lost people we love or are feeling alone. We will meditate and drop into the true spirit of the holidays with our amazing meditation sangha. If you are feeling alone or overwhelmed with the busyness of cooking, gifting, gatherings and more, this meditation will soothe your soul and nourish you so you can truly be nourished by sacred communion with the ones you love. All are welcome.
@StarryEyed - and everyone else of course :)
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Forgot to mention that it is a 30 min session at 5 UK time, 6 EU time.
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Good morning, @SmellyBin and a Merry Christmas Eve to you. I would love to join you. See you there, if the stars are aligned. 🤞🏼 Thank you so much for posting this. 🙏🏼
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That sounds wonderful, @StarryEyed Make sure to wear a flower in your hair and I'll do the same 🤭
Anyone else gonna join us?
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But it's without video, right? The other meeting was.
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I had no audio either last time. None of us had audio or video - only the host did. She spoke and we communicated via a chat alongside the video of the host.
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Yeah, I was only kidding. If we ever do Sangha Live together it is through Zoom and optional to be visually present (and wave - kidding again).
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Ah, ok. Since it was my only time, I thought maybe there were different formats. I'm soooooo looking forward to this. Again, thank you.
Here's one of my favourite Christmas songs, especially for Christmas Eve nights, sung by one of my favourite Canadians, Michael Bublé. Imagine a world where everyone would be even partially as joyful about the birth of all babies?
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Imagine a guided meditation by Michael Bublé, that would be quite the thing.
With the Sangha Live sessions you sometimes see people and their pets which I quite like, or even the teacher with a cat somewhere out there.
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Yes, what a fabulous idea! Write him to ask! 😁. Here's one I just did by another beautiful voice - Chris Hemsworth....
Are you okay today? I seem to remember your partner is out over Christmas.
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Ah, that’s very considerate of you, Starry. Nope, I won’t be alone any of the Xmas days, we don’t celebrate any of these things and are simply staying in with the two of us. The way I am housebound there is practically nothing for me to do outdoors that I can handle apart from a stroll with the wheelchair. Not to mention not being close to those we used to meet for the holidays. But we happily had short walk around the block with me in the wheelchair last Sunday.
Indeed I was struggling this morning, thinking of the days ahead. My neighbor (who is very dear to me and also supportive) would be away during the festivities, so somehow I dreaded to see her car gone – as if that somehow symbolizes everyone going out and about, having all that physical freedom, but not me.
Thankfully, I am hanging in there, hopefully not much anxiety, but it may always pop back up. Even when I think I am feeling slightly better. But hey, it is okay not to be okay, right?
I got that from leafing through Luminous Darkness yesterday. Mentioning it to you a few days ago made me want to get it from the bookshelf.Are you looking forward to Xmas? Or are these difficult days for you? You might have mentioned it in another thread here online, I am not sure...
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Hi! I hope you liked the meditation. She's not really for me, as you might have guessed, because she was so focused on light, light, light, love, love love. I won't criticize more than that, since my comments are public here, and I don't want to diss her.
Yes, I really like Christmas, because it is so intense with such a range of emotions that it really speaks to who I am, because that is who I am. It's incredibly overwhelming, but I always find life overwhelming, so at least many people are feeling the same as I usually feel. And I typically live year round with a lot of grief and sadness, as do a lot of other people at Christmas. So it's a season that I feel most connected to the world. Does that make sense?
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I deleted by mistake the rest of my response to your post and I'll include it now in case you're already reading and miss the addition...
It's good that you've got company. I know what you mean about people being mobile while we aren't. The world is so different now with my mobility devices. There's so much I can't do now and it's so difficult to move about. I always had trouble with crowds because of dreadful anxiety. Now it's even more of a nightmare. Today would be the worst day to go out. So, like you, I just stayed inside today. And that's okay. I'm fortunate to have a cozy little apartment and a very snuggly kitty cat.
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