REFORM HAVE SAID THEY WILL CUT ALL BENEFITS

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  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,686 Championing

    PIP is set in law - if you care to check - its treated differently than ESA / UC etc

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,730 Connected

    I somehow doubt they'd care about a "minor" detail like that.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,100 Championing
    edited May 10

    We at the point now, almost all parties are targeting health benefits.
    Tories and reform will probably reintroduce child cap on top of that.
    The only party who wants to protect social security now is the Greens.

    The real nasty thing about all this, is its being done at the same time as changes to the NHS, to make the NHS even worse e.g. the recent changes to referrals to make them even more rationed. I dont think this is coincidence, I expect there is a plan to require secondary care diagnosis, whilst at the same time making it harder to access secondary care.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,686 Championing

    Any changes would have to be a new law - passed by both houses - this takes years

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,686 Championing
  • Bluebell21
    Bluebell21 Community Member Posts: 5,536 Championing

    What wibbles has shared was issued in May 2024 and the next General Election will not be until 2029. A lot can change in five years.

    Reform are not the only party who will be targeting benefits.

    It is up to all the other parties to provide better charismatic leaders and policies that can connect with the people if they want to keep Reform out at the next general election.

    They have three years to do this.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,730 Championing

    I remember my granny saying that some people are only happy when they're miserable.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,730 Connected

    I would've voted Green last Thursday if I'd had the chance.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    Why don't they reduce pension age back to 60, Then there be jobs for younger people, and a lot of older people are on disability because of the pension age raised. Although jobs need to be found since reeves has managed to close places down

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,730 Championing
    edited May 10

    Retirement ages are rising all over the world, because people are living longer. I know people locally who retired in their mid fifties, and are still out golfing and gardening in thier 80s, even 90s.

    A neighbour's father died in 2019, aged 99. He had still been out golfing at 95. This gentleman was a family friend, and he worked a butcher until 84, my own maternal grandfather until 77, in the very same butcher's shop.

    Many retiring now, they can expect several decades of relatively good health. Should the young workers with families support them from the age of 60? Not all will have fat private pensions.

    I even know a Scope member who would still be working if they could, pension age or otherwise!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,173 Championing

    There is no chance of it being reversed! None whatsoever.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,100 Championing
    edited May 11

    I was thinking this way, but it has become completely out of hand, reform are changing their policies every 5 minutes, and they make sure its in the news, with their constant press conferences. On average there seems to now be a benefit news story every week now, which is madness as the other parties arent a lot better.

    It has become the biggest talking point of the country probably even more so than immigration now.

    All the social media advocates have ended up drawing too much attention to it, they probably need to stop everything they doing at this point, too many youtubers tiktokers etc. That lady who was ex DWP staff, I seen a few of her videos, she is just pumping out videos for the sake of it at this point, just triggering fear.

    You also have people either pretending or boasting about their own laziness on UC, to boost their social media channel, but people buy in to it and it fuels the resentment.

    One social media advocate admitted she stopped helping people as she decided it was all out of hand, and she felt some asking for help were not legit. Admitted it was a mistake raising awareness on the internet.

    So now I limit my focus to actual announced government policy changes like the white paper, and try to ignore everything else. Even the purpl website has started a blog on reporting on disability news, which I dont like, as its just more negativity.

    Benefits and work at least just concentrates on what changes at the DWP level, rather than all speculation, Reform fear etc.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,730 Connected

    What gets me though, is they're trying to force everyone to get a job, yet for a LOT of disabled people, it'd be mentally and/or physically impossible for them to work, and that right there's what the right don't get.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,730 Connected

    True, but in extreme cases, a day's work would literally kill some disabled people.

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,730 Connected

    Indeed, I mean come on, I was 50 last month, so in the unlikely event I get a job, I'd be able to in theory work for 10 years before they Pension me off for a younger, cheaper worker who can work stupid hours for almost no money! Madness innit?

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,686 Championing

    l emailed REFORM to ask whether their policies mentioned means testing PIP and received a standard response !

    "Thank you for writing to Reform's policy team. Your submission has been received. You may not receive an immediate reply but your idea will be reviewed when we come to consider the relevant area of policy (which may not be for some time). "

    They have NO policies !

  • Bluebell21
    Bluebell21 Community Member Posts: 5,536 Championing

    @Wibbles can you provide proof that Reform "have NO policies"

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,730 Championing

    Of course Reform will have some policies, even if they are deeply unpleasant to most of us.