Brexit - 10 Years On.

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  • martinezXgonzales
    martinezXgonzales Community Member Posts: 61 Contributor

    if brexit was done properly, I believe we would be as good as other places in the USA, booming with promise & even have the seeds planted for becoming as economic viable as Asia, the UAE.

    problem is the majority of the public, the tories & the MSM absolutely ruined any hope - ANY HOPE - of ever getting a proper deal.

    I love Spain, France, Greece, italy, tureky etc so don't get me wrong.

    We needed a complete cut of rules & regulations, it can be done. We needed a WTO deal which meant free markets, we needed to reboot the notion that capitalism is bad, there is 1 type of capitalism that is beneficial for all.

    if I was old enough I would of voted leave but sadly most celebs, politicians were so tied to mother EU - they ruined it….

    forgiveness won't come from myself as I view many of these "notions "what happened as a ruination of my future ….. & future generations.

  • martinezXgonzales
    martinezXgonzales Community Member Posts: 61 Contributor

    also excuse as i say I wouldnt read a gaurdian news rag if somebody paid me to.

  • Hairyloon
    Hairyloon Community Member Posts: 28 Contributor

    Are we allowed to talk about Brexit?

    There's a notice about political neutrality… presumably that means we've got to seek out someone who can talk it up, in order to balance the reality?

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  • Hairyloon
    Hairyloon Community Member Posts: 28 Contributor

    The thing about Brexit, which I think is kind of important, is that there is no known record of the decision to leave.

    The Cabinet Office has been asked to produce the record of the decision and they say they are "not aware" of one.

    The court should decide soon on whether to order them to look harder, or to own up to there not being one, but my thinking is that if there is no record, then how could it meet our constitutional requirements?

    How can the country make the biggest decision since we picked sides in WWII without it leaving a trace?

    https://ico.org.uk/action-weve-taken/decision-notices/2025/01/ic-334851-w0w6/

  • Hairyloon
    Hairyloon Community Member Posts: 28 Contributor

    If Brexit had been done properly, then we wouldn't have left the EU.

    It was an advisory referendum and the only thing that the result told us was that parliament was badly out of touch.

    The only way to do Brexit properly was to address that problem first, and then look again at the question of the European Union.

    Leave would not have won a second time, and they probably wouldn't have won the first time if the referendum had been made binding by democracy rather than by diktat.

    The electorate of the UK is not stupid and democracy works a lot better if politicians don't assume that it is.

  • martinezXgonzales
    martinezXgonzales Community Member Posts: 61 Contributor

    well said but I could always see that the EU was a questionable entity at best even at school, I remember we had to do these projects during 2012 for the jubilee - I refused to as I didn't believe in the rhetoric, I was lucky as my mom & pop had made me jion UNESCO as youth member (only thing they forced me to do).

    I did a course in 2011 I think regarding freedoms,rights etc….. very cool.

  • Anhedonia2
    Anhedonia2 Community Member Posts: 306 Empowering

    I think we all know what Brexit was really about and it certainly wasn't for the people.

  • Hairyloon
    Hairyloon Community Member Posts: 28 Contributor

    Do we?

    A favourite answer relates to tax avoidance, but apparently their rules aren't actually much stricter than ours.

    I say "Apparently" because I don't actually believe it, but what bothers me about that is that nobody mentioned it until afterwards.

    I can only imagine that they had had a gentleman's agreement, because it would have been unsporting to use such a persuasive argument…

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,313 Championing

    The decision that NF vowed not to accept if the result was close? The one he then accepted because it suited him?

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,890 Championing

    The French gentleman has a very unfortunate set of initials, does he not? 🤔

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,313 Championing

    He does. He also has a very unfortunate set of principles (unfortunate for us).

  • Hairyloon
    Hairyloon Community Member Posts: 28 Contributor
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    Is this what you mean?

    Isn't it clear that this is what the nation voted for?

    That and for Parliament to deal with the "Crisis of confidence" that Hilary Benn spoke of.

    Although he argued that we would face that crisis if parliament told us the truth, and therefore they shouldn't, rather than recognising that the crisis was the very reason for the result.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,890 Championing

    He showed his quality over the five million 'gift' from a Thailand based billionaire, that is he ran away from questions. Nothing but a thing skinned carnival barker. Remember when he threw a wobbly over the Coutts Bank saga?

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,890 Championing

    He reminds me of Trump in many ways, especially as things that would end the political hopes of a person, it doesn't seem to touch him; that Dulwich College business for one thing.

    Imagine him as PM? He would make the blonde oaf look like a workaholic!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,313 Championing

    Not quite 'the nation' but one third of the electorate.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,313 Championing
  • Hairyloon
    Hairyloon Community Member Posts: 28 Contributor
    edited June 23

    The nation delivered a 52:48 result.

    That's not ⅓ of the electorate, that's the decision of the electorate overall. For clarity, because people are easily confused, that's not a decision to leave, but a decision to deliver a 52:48 result,which is exactly what they had been told, by the principle proponent of the project, would be unfinished business.

    If you want to make an argument that the nation weren't voting for the unfinished business option, then do feel free, but ⅓ of the electorate is not any kind of argument at all.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,313 Championing
  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,617 Championing

    While one third is accurate regarding the total registry, standard democratic conventions rely on a different principle, which is those who chose to abstain effectively granted their tacit acquiescence to whatever the active voting majority decided. In any democratic exercise, the outcome is determined by those who participate, not by those who remain silent.

  • Anhedonia2
    Anhedonia2 Community Member Posts: 306 Empowering

    That's true but I still think it's important to remember and say that over half the country did not vote for brexit. In fact around 2/3 of people registered to vote did not vote for brexit.