Brexit - 10 Years On.

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  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,145 Connected

    And that's why it'll never happen, even the most ardent Reform UK voters aren't that daft as to give him enough votes to form a government.

    He doesn't want the job anyway because he'd be obligated to actually turn up in the HOC and do some work.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,040 Championing
  • Hairyloon
    Hairyloon Community Member Posts: 28 Contributor
    edited June 23

    The nation delivered a 52:48 result.

    That's not ⅓ of the electorate, that's the decision of the electorate overall. For clarity, because people are easily confused, that's not a decision to leave, but a decision to deliver a 52:48 result,which is exactly what they had been told, by the principle proponent of the project, would be unfinished business.

    If you want to make an argument that the nation weren't voting for the unfinished business option, then do feel free, but ⅓ of the electorate is not any kind of argument at all.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,040 Championing
  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,383 Championing

    While one third is accurate regarding the total registry, standard democratic conventions rely on a different principle, which is those who chose to abstain effectively granted their tacit acquiescence to whatever the active voting majority decided. In any democratic exercise, the outcome is determined by those who participate, not by those who remain silent.

  • Anhedonia2
    Anhedonia2 Community Member Posts: 259 Empowering

    That's true but I still think it's important to remember and say that over half the country did not vote for brexit. In fact around 2/3 of people registered to vote did not vote for brexit.

  • Anhedonia2
    Anhedonia2 Community Member Posts: 259 Empowering

    Brexit was won on lies and nothing promised was delivered, it just opened the door for the current proposals.

    I don't think I've seen evidence of one single positive outcome as a direct result of Brexit. In fact even the 'boat issue' was created because of Brexit.

  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Community Member Posts: 8,915 Championing
    edited June 24

    Democracy works as democracy works.

    If someone didn't want Brexit then they should have voted Remain and had the opportunity to do so.

    Nit picking over the numbers because you disagree with the result isn't exactly fair.

    I was horrified to see Reform gain control of my local council, but accept that is the democratic result.

  • Anhedonia2
    Anhedonia2 Community Member Posts: 259 Empowering

    I don't disagree but don't like the opposite narrative being pushed either or claims that most the population wanted it which is why I commented as it felt quite one sided, sorry 😔

  • SheffieldMan1976
    SheffieldMan1976 Posts: 3,145 Connected

    Like I've said before, Brexit was sold on a tissue of lies about immigrants, legal or otherwise, in Europe.

  • Kimi87
    Kimi87 Community Member Posts: 8,915 Championing

    Remain put out some questionable stuff too - I personally disregarded aspects of the campaign on both sides because I thought it was nonsense.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Community Member Posts: 6,270 Championing

    Plenty of people are happy with Brexit and would vote for it again. It wasn't won on 'lies'. There's something much deeper than that which is potentially more concerning, for me at least.

    It's about 'sovereignty'. Not specifically about boats or even immigrants. It's about a feeling of being British instead of being part of a larger European community. The same is true for the 'green agenda'. The people that are against it actually aren't interested in the world as a whole, just the tiny corner of it where they live. Once I realised that's how their minds are working, there's really no point in trying to change that. (Of course, it's also possible that my global view is wrong, and they are right about being more selfish and focused only on their immediate area).

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,383 Championing

    Strictly speaking that’s true, but in any ballot you only have choices on the paper, abstaining or staying home is historically and legally a choice to let the active voters decide for you, it's impossible to assume those who didn't show up would have collectively blocked it, they just simply chose not to take a side.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,412 Trailblazing

    The BBC mentioned a report by Stanford University economists, using Bank Of England data, and it concluded the UK had taken a 6-8% hit due to Brexit.