So much for "Andy Burnham is pro Benefits"

Wibbles
Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,726 Championing

"Speaking to the Times a day after Healey's resignation, Andy Burnham said alongside the 10-year approach to defence and security, there needed to be reform of public investment and procurement.

He told the newspaper that this would reduce the welfare bill by bringing recipients into the workforce, ensuring more money was available for defence.

"I am not squeamish about saying that the plan would be to reduce the welfare bill," Burnham said."

It seems that we're damned if we do and damned if we don't !

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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 6,313 Championing

    He's a red Tory. He helped to cover up the benefits fiasco.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,890 Championing

    I hardly think any serious politician is going to declare themselves 'pro benefits'. Any country wants as many people in work as possible.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,617 Championing

    I heard it on the grapevine that Burnham is against benefits cuts and is more for giving people support so they can work (carrot without stick).

  • CuriousToaster
    CuriousToaster Scope Member Posts: 8 Connected

    I think he's the least worse option. I am not naïve at all, but I know there are people like me who with lots of support and Access to Work being funded properly and more upfront investment would help us. But has does need to remember not everyone can work, and won't ever be able to work.

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,617 Championing
    edited June 23

    I'm sorry WhatThe, but those claims are historically inaccurate and politically biased. I can elaborate if you would like me to.

  • Community_Scope
    Community_Scope Posts: 2,463 Online Community Team

    Just a reminder to everyone not to bait, goad, or be passive aggressive in your posts please. This applies to all discussions across the community. It's very hot today so let's give each other some grace.

    Many thanks

    Rachel

  • Ross1975
    Ross1975 Community Member Posts: 1,617 Championing
    edited June 23

    After reading the article on B&W it seems he is indeed against crude benefit cuts, let's hope he stands by this. And lets hope when he talks about "moving towards a more preventative state that makes the right investments to support people into work" that he means carrot without stick.

    Here is the article, Burnham not squeamish about reducing welfare bill

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Community Member Posts: 3,726 Championing

    Also - is his finances going to be very North-West centred ?

    What about the South West - always missed

  • michael57
    michael57 Community Member Posts: 3,408 Championing

    Haha as with most things political thinking and doing are miles apart

  • Anhedonia2
    Anhedonia2 Community Member Posts: 306 Empowering

    And again 😕

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,890 Championing

    No politician is 'pro benefits', they are pro working people, the vast majority of voters.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,890 Championing
    edited July 7

    I don't see your point. Politicians everywhere chase votes, and lauding the fact that millions claim benefits, it's hardly going to help with their electability. They might understand the Importance of a safety net, but still not be 'pro benefits', that phrase implies claiming benefits is a good thing for the country!

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,890 Championing
    edited July 8

    We started off talking about Andy Burnham, now i think you're referring to a possible Reform government; I can't deal in hypotheticals.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,366 Championing
    edited July 8

    Thats not true Reforms whole "thing" is "stop the Boats" and they are not the only political party who have said they will do that.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,366 Championing

    You stated that its Reforms whole thing to stop the boats. Are you saying that is their only policy?

    As I stated above Reform aren't the only political party who want to stop the boats but you focus only on Reform saying thats their intention.

  • ChrisR777
    ChrisR777 Community Member Posts: 1,890 Championing
    edited July 9

    "Defence" as they insist calling it, it certainly won't protect us from a heating planet.

  • egiste2r
    egiste2r Posts: 193 Connected

    To invest in the defense industry, you need highly qualified scientists, engineers, and workers. Britain simply doesn't have them, but it does have plenty of environmentalists, bloggers, YouTubers, and the like.

    But the money will certainly be spent, rest assured!

  • Rag_793
    Rag_793 Community Member Posts: 678 Empowering

    if the Labour Government decides to attack those on benefits again, especially those who desperately need them to survive, then there will be consequences. I know personally it would send me on a downward spiral to a place I would never be able to recover from. At that point I know my DNAR & DNACPR would come into that affect. I just don’t get this country, let alone anything else, I don’t have the greatest of confidence or trust in anyone anymore

  • luvpink
    luvpink Community Member Posts: 5,366 Championing

    That doesn't prove that stopping the boats is their "whole thing".

    Its one of their policies, which some of the other political parties also intend to do.

  • worried33
    worried33 Community Member Posts: 1,103 Championing
    edited July 14

    The only party who hasnt been scared to be pro benefits is the Green party, but of course if they ever got close to be elected I wouldnt be surprised to see them turn as well. In short I trust no one, Burnham will still have advisors who have advised other leaders, its still the same people running the DWP, and still the same media, MPs etc.

    Its also not really pro or anti benefits either. Its really health related benefits specifically. Labour managed to increase the basic rate of UC without the country throwing a fit, they were prepared to uncap child benefits, and still no one dares talk about the triple lock. But health related benefits has become a big target for so many people, its definitely not helped that there is a bunch of people on social media offering advocation as well as effectively showing off their benefit award, this has driven resentment which is still rising. Videos like "how I spend my UC"

    A subject which I expect is going to be very sensitive is the question of which is preferable. Current eligibility but hard to apply (many people declined as they dont understand form/descriptors etc. some see this as unfair), or a simpler application process but in turn tighter eligibility to keep the claims down. I think the former is preferable. But all these social media advocates have helped increase success rates, which has drawn attention to the case load. I think even under Burnham we going to see it made easier to get PIP with a strong diagnosis, but people with weak, wrong or no diagnosis will routinely get declined. I expect they will move away from needing to describe needs and such to just awarding based on health condition like they did with DLA. I felt DLA was unfair for this reason.