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  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    @Topkitten Mmm interesting. Getting back to basics though of what we know for sure, the brain is an organ of the body in the same way as the heart, kidneys, liver etc. are. At the point of death it dies along with the rest of the body. The whole thing is destroyed and ceases to exist. So it would be impossible for the brain to continue to have any function regarding the use of any sort of energy, Spiritual or otherwise. That is an indisputable fact. What scientists, with the help of Medical Professionals, are currently working on is trying to find out how consciousness relates to the brain. Does it originate in the brain or does it exist outside using the brain as a processing place. and more importantly can it function independently without needing to use the brain at all. If examples of people saying they were fully conscious and being able to give verifiable information of what was happening in detail, specific and correct, while their heart was stopped and brain activity was zero (probably with their eyes closed) were rare then this question and the wish to find out more would never have arisen. That's what I find so interesting as, if found to be true, it makes it perfectly possible for our consciousness to continue after death. 
  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    @CockneyRebel I'm sorry you find it difficult and so tiring to write a lot. No I have never met my guide but it's not because I haven't tried. The unpleasant dreams did start after my first trauma but as a child I used to dream I was flying. I would be floating above people moving with swimming like arm and leg actions. Recently it happened again. I was whizzing along above country lanes having a great time. I stopped above a farm yard. My view was from above and a child was happily playing down below. She looked up and saw me but was not surprised. This made me think that wherever I was being able to move around in mid air was normal. The dream ended after I had asked her to go and find her parents so I could have a chat. As a child I remember being able to float down the stairs from top to bottom. This memory is so real I get confused as to whether this was a dream or that it happened when I was fully awake. My logical brain tells me it couldn't have but the sensation is still as real today as it was back then. I find the idea of being able to control where I go and what happens at night very exciting especially as it is a happy release from the daytime suffering.
    Does anyone else have anything they'd like to share? 
  • thespiceman
    thespiceman Community member Posts: 6,388 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello Everybody.  I am enjoying every ones comments on this fascinating subject.  Thank you.  Having been in an induced coma after operations.  Usually in intensive care.  I never could understand why I was in a coma but  had experiences of floating.  Whiteness hearing voices.  My knowledge of all this sketchy but I could not for once explain anything to family.  Having explored the reading material on several books out there.  My knowledge was heighted.  The body is a marvellous thing and the connection between what the brain operates to the rest of the body.  It interests me.  I know my body can tolerate pain and how I deal with it.  For example if you say to yourself on a hot day gosh it is hot then you will feel hot.  If you say cool, cool, green grass then you might not feel hot.  I use several techniques like this for eating food.  You can control the portion sizes with a quick test by eating in smaller sizes of bowl not plates.  Control your mind eat with your eyes and brain combined.  Eat for when hungry.  Set times.  I supposed it is self hypnosis.  Then before each meal have glass water.  Then chew slowly take time.  It takes about 20 minutes for brain to absorb meal and register.  That is why you will feel hungry if you bolt food down.  Still pile more food onto plate.  Have more then body wont register to brain.  After meal take half hour or more have bread or fruit or yoghurt etc Then you will fill up.  I read a book about 10 years ago on self hypnosis on food.  Written by Paul Mckennna.  Also coming off addiction.  Looking at food done qualifications and the lots of courses around the subject.  It is working for me.  I have to deal with pain again take meds but have to deal with my body.  Use hypnosis techniques and relaxation methods.  Control my mind.  I am hurting but I am trying to over come the pain by these methods.  This what I do and it has taken me a long time for my body and mind to cope with self hypnosis.  There is much research and questions still in progress that need to be answered.  I had an operation once that the drug they gave me a local aesthetic did not work.  Time is money as they say.  I asked the surgeon to carry on.  Managed to do operation OK.  I had coped by using repeated mantra to myself to cope with operation.  Just on my ear by way.  So impressed the surgeon.  That he asked me how did you know how to do that?  In my long health history body has tolerated pain because every operation now the residues of all drugs etc have made me aware that it can cope.  Last big operation six hours on my hands.  Was hovering between unconscious and awake because I was aware drugs and aesthetic was not working.  I could sense them their the surgeons but I did not feel any pain.  Put me into induced coma because body suddenly realised to the brain that a major change taken place.  For days my hands I could feel the missing fingers.  This is the case for amputees I believe.  Still feel limb are there.  I want to go on more but this subject will run and run.  Thank you all.  Just want to talk about how the connection between body and brain.  Also I do have some other experiences from my operations.  I will discuss some time. 
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  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Community member Posts: 5,209 Disability Gamechanger
    Wildlife
    Making your acquaintance has reawakened me, thank you.
     
    In the physical, my orientation is mechanical so any expalinations i try to give are in that context. If a person is more academic then my attempts are often not easily understood. It is like trying to explain that the world is round to early man.
    It can be very difficult to distinguish dreams from reality, as you say the logical  "brain" impedes and confuses.
     Have you looked into the age of aquarius and the subsequent children ?
    Most people think of the layers as going up and down but there are also parallel or sideways layers as well.
    one way that life can be looked at is by taking a comparison of a box set of movies for example. All the information is on the disc but we can only veiw what is on the screen. It is possible to fast forward or rewind any current disc but to veiw the next disc we need to change it.
    Sorry if this sounds a bit "out there" but that is an example that has just been given to me as I wrote. As I said I am mechanical in orientation.
    I am sure that within your circle there are people that can explain far better than me and help you meet your guide which can be so helpful.
    have you looked into " The secret " ? it is a bit off tangent here but is also usefull in some areas if you can overlook the commercial and selfish sides.

    hopefully talk again soon

    Namaste

    CR
     
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  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    @thespiceman Thank-you for sharing. It is very interesting. I too have had operations but have not been as strong as you and I have been left with phobias I cannot control. Because of a bad experience with anesthetic I later in life begged a surgeon to operate using an epidural only. I didn't know it would be worse than being knocked out completely. They gave me headphones and played music while the surgery was done and I was so frightened that ever since then I have music playing in my head like when a tune repeats and you can't get rid of it. It is my brain saying that while ever I can hear the music I'm OK. 
       
  • thespiceman
    thespiceman Community member Posts: 6,388 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello @wildlife Thank you for replying  Lovely to talk to you again great.  In the interest of science.  I do find it all absorbing and fascinating.  I know I was scared myself but something in my conscious told me to cope.  I can understand your situation.  I hope you OK.  I know every time I write a story down in my head I am start to recall the trauma I went through.  In the late 60s and 70s went to hospital in London.  The big teaching hospital there and met many young trainee doctors.  The medical procedures then were not with out problems.  I know we all have seen a lot of changes in the NHS.  I am always looking to the cultures of India and China for their medicine and beyond fascinates me.  They have lot more awareness of how in tune the body is to the brain.  I also believe in my opinion what they use as alternatives the West should consider looking at.  This a vast subject.  Done some reading but I have just touched the tip of the iceberg.  Hope to speak to you soon take care.
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  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    @CockneyRebel I know very little about different types of children but have heard of this and will look into it, also know nothing about "the secret" but will look into it. I do sit in circle with a very good Medium but have only just moved from Open Circle to a more advanced one. I am receiving information but as yet am making very slow progress as my head is so full of running the Church which requires no physical effort by the way so I am able to do it with the help of MOH who is our Treasurer. It is my life and I would be very depressed and bored without it. I can say a lot more about Spiritualism as a Religion but will not unless anyone asks. It can be by PM if preferred which I think can be done on here. 
    @thespiceman I too am a great believer in alternative treatments and use them myself but I don't recommend them as it's for each person to find out for themselves what works and what doesn't. I'm currently having physio from a very well qualified lady who is also a qualified Osteopath and healer and also seeing a Nutritionist which I DO recommend to anyone who wants to help themselves. The NHS has a very negative health philosophy which most of the time waits until a condition has started before then treating the symptoms and not the cause. Things are improving but if Doctors were paid to keep people well as in the East we might not get illnesses in the first place. I was written of years ago by the NHS when no more could be done and believe had I just let things happen I wouldn't be here now. As for writing/talking about my traumas it does bring it all back which is why the PIP process sent me to a very dark place which I am working my way back from. Just this afternoon the wavy lines began (Occular Migraines) as they did the week after seeing my assessment report. It is good to share our inner most thoughts and to realize that bad reactions to frightening experiences are not a sign of weakness. Sharing and seeking help to understand why the body has gone into flight or fight and what will help to control it goes a long way to improving general well being.  
  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Community member Posts: 5,209 Disability Gamechanger
    @ wildlife
    a google search for indigo, crystal and rainbow children should produce results.
    Unfortunately, many try to commercialise and therefore corrupt. There are many wrong turnings on the way and much misleading as well. You are on a defined path with your Church and that is good you may or may not wish to expand outside.

    I would really be most grateful for you if you are able to expand and tell us about Spiritulism and I hope that others will be interested and read with open minds

    Namaste

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Community member Posts: 5,209 Disability Gamechanger
    @ thespiceman

    Oriental medicine is a truly fascinating subject. As are many alternatives such as herbalism and homeopathy.
    It is usefull to share knowledge of alternatives as many people have not heard of them but recommendation as to use should not be posted as we are unable to give any medical advice even of the alternative kind. I see no harm in leading people to these and letting them discover for themselves the benefits or otherwise. Sharing knowledge is always good although not always well received

    Namaste

    CR 
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  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    No I do not wish to expand outside. Yes you are right about the public conception of Spiritualism but we are an SNU Church and although we don't agree with some of their rules and regulations they keep us on the right path to function as a non profit making organization. So long as we are able to remain open and cover our outgoings we're happy. 
        It's sad in a way that, although Spiritualism is a recognized Religion,   the differences between it and some of the other more well known religions are the very things that make it difficult to attract new people. We do not believe in putting pressure on people to come along. We have a FB group and advertise events but that's all.The door is open for anyone to wander in and once inside they are given a warm welcome but then left to experience a service and if after one visit they decide it's not for them that's fine. No-one preaches and everyone is accepted as they are. There is total freedom for them to do as much or as little as they wish. Our service consists of modern songs with a meaning e.g. "Love Shine a Light", "Spirit in the Sky", "Somewhere over the Rainbow" and prayers are short and the Address (Sermon) is about our philosophy on the way to treat others and any other Spiritual matters. We only allow 15 mins for this. The rest of the service is a demonstration of Mediumship equaling anything in standard and quality to that which people pay much more to see in theatres and halls throughout the world. We do have a freewill offering like a collection but entirely optional. We have a different visiting Medium each week so plenty of variety. Our attendees are of all ages and backgrounds just ordinary people, but it's the only place I know where such differences are set aside and we all get on so well together. One of the girls cleans for me so I totally trust her and I love the hug as she arrives and leaves. She is married to another lady but there is no problem with that whatsoever. To me it's a sanctuary of peace and love where you can laugh or cry and in my case panic if you're having a bad time and no-one bothers. I really don't mind anyone deciding it's not for them but without trying it how do you know? So there you have it...
  • thespiceman
    thespiceman Community member Posts: 6,388 Disability Gamechanger
    Hello @CockneyRebel Thank you for reply.  Thank you for making a statement about alternative medicine.  I apologise if I gave the impression to look at these alternatives.  With seeking medical advice first or to stop treatment and replace with these therapies.  I agree always with what you say.  I am understand.  Thank you.  
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  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Community member Posts: 5,209 Disability Gamechanger
    wildlife
    Thank you for sharing and I hope that other members will read and at least try if they are still without a path.
     
    I fully understand and respect your chosen path and wish you much joy, fulfillment and enlightenment. I do envisage that your guide will come to you soon.

    The selling of service in theatres as you have mentioned has not been a positive as many people think in terms of entertainment and trickery. I had been instructed that only matrial service warranted material reward, I can sell my labour to who ever needs or wants it. Spiritual service is a gift and not mine to sell, therefore material reward should not be sought. For this reason I found a Spiritual sanctuary close to home and for some time I did attend and regularly sat in circle.I  learned much and confirmed more. I very much enjoyed the short time I had before my path led me to a different way.

    Namaste

    CR
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  • Jules730
    Jules730 Community member Posts: 2 Listener
    Hi Everyone. I have just joined this forum, and I to am a spiritualist. Very interesting to hear everyone's perspective. 
    Why are we hear? 
    This is my perspective only. 
    We are consciousness, having a human experience. 
    Our journey consists of many lifetimes- many experiences, many lessons, joy, sorrow etc. Spiritual growth is our purpose. To shine the light of love, being disabled in this lifetime was our choice. 
    We chose to be here on this our great Mother Earth at this important time of earths evolution. 
    For so long our planet has been a dark dense place, new lighter energies are being birthed here. We all play an important role.... Everyone! 

    Namaste 

    Jules730


  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Community member Posts: 5,209 Disability Gamechanger
    edited December 2017
    Hi Jules and welcome

    Thank you for sharing. Would you like to tell us a bit more about yourself  ?

    Namaste

    CR
    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • feir
    feir Community member Posts: 397 Pioneering
    i'm a nihilist so my answer will be short, haha.

    i have been a carer for years and followed scope because of that. you don't really get any support for yourself so need help from charities, and other people, on how to deal with things sometimes. plus i like to support disability causes to the best of my ability (which isn't much but i like to think it's helped in some small way somehow). i feel i've coped quite well overall, and every bit of help i've had has been very useful. this has been my main role in life and i love caring for others, from being the big sister to becoming a parent to my own brood of 4 kids.

    unfortunately i started to become mildly disabled a few years ago myself but it didn't affect my abilities too much and on the times it did it was only for a couple of days every few months or so, so nothing to worry about really. until a year ago, then my arthritis seemed to become really bad and limiting, and in jan 17 my lovely nurse referred me to the gym as she thought that'd help, and it did. my joints and mild problems went away and i was like my full physical self again. 3 months later i started getting my first problems permanently, never been in so much pain, so depressed, and wanting to die in my entire life. this went on constantly for 7 months almost, so i am here on the forums because of that. i've basically had to stop moving to stop the pain, it's like doing the slightest thing strains my joints so i do nothing and for the first time ever i've gone from the carer to needing the care. i find this frustrating, boring (used to doing loads usually), and i just want my body back but am learning to live like this.

    usually i do studies in my spare time, i'm very interested in the body and love learning about that, particularly when it comes to cells, DNA,,and some psychology is interesting to me also. but what i have now (no diagnosis yet) seems to be affecting my brain also, i type a lot of things wrong and can't concentrate and even went temporarily blind in both eyes the other night. so can't study any more and really miss that too.

    so i am me, but the not the me i'm used to being and i miss her a lot. i'm still doing caring despite this, just in a supervisory role.
  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Community member Posts: 5,209 Disability Gamechanger
    Hi feir

    Thank you for sharing. I learn things all the time but have never come across nihilism, had to google it.
    I am probably the exact opposite, but respect everyones view

    I am so  sorry that things are not turning out well for you, most of us can relate to missing our old selves. I hope you manage to get a diagnosis soon and that you can get some relief. We see many people on the forums with chronic undiagnosed pain and other hidden illnesses. Fibromyalgia is becoming more recognised as one of these. Arthritis, both osteo and rhematoid often go hand in hand with Lupus and can be excruciating as my wife and I know.

    I hope that you will find a way to continue to study all the things you are interested in to keep your mind active

    I offer my best wishes for the New Year and that you can be the best you can

    Namaste

    CR


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  • feir
    feir Community member Posts: 397 Pioneering
    edited December 2017
    thanks @CockneyRebel for the welcoming message

    i get my MRI results back in just over a week, that might find something hopefully. hope yours and your wifes pain isn't bad.

    i'll risk getting into the philosophical debate though (as i've also missed these too, i will warn you i like to ramble on as well) and my thoughts about this, based on human sciences mainly:

    "This posed the question, if we are alive then we must be some form of energy which cannot be destroyed so what does our living energy transform into ?"

    when we die the decomposition of our bodies takes energy, once decomposition is complete you can physically see nothing of a carcass but it's bones and i'm pretty sure that these produce little to no energy and cannot have thoughts. but our bones can contain our memories because we know that DNA is able to retain memories as it's how cells manage to replicate, function and pass on traits. so, interestingly, even after we die, there is definitely something left of us until it all decays into molecules to be used by something else.

    it's possible that even our experiences are retained in the DNA*, so our actual memory could in there as well as everything we do know is in there.once we are broken down into molecules then i think there really is nothing left of us, but considering the above if you have had children then it's also possible your DNA inside of them contains you (albeit in their form with their experiences also), but we can extract DNA and parts of that so it may be possible you also exist in another generation and could be extracted from one of your future generations of family. all those people paying to be frozen are wasting their money if this is true lol.

    one thing i think is that we only mentally exist because our body is taking in information, using that, and able to because it sends electrical impulses all over itself to make sense of the information it receives. do we do that without a live physical body? no. so for me it seems it's unlikely that our 'soul' exists outside of the body. but maybe it exists in future generations that you have passed your DNA into?

    there's so much we don't know that many things are also likely at this point, that's just my opinion.

    *we think DNA passes on memories from generation to generation because we have some instincts from birth that are vital to our survival instead of having to learn how to survive from experience, even if these traits do still make babies dependent on a parent figure.
  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    @feir Hi and welcome to the discussion. I read your post with interest. You know a lot more than I do about what you have described. However if what you say is true about there being nothing left albeit after quite some time after the body has completely disintegrated how do you explain the many documented cases of children from as young as 2 remembering past lives. Information they talk about so casually of a life as someone they are not related to and checks made using what they have so innocently spoken about are found to be true. 
              If our consciousness can only function when the physical body is fully operational how are cardiac arrest patients able to describe in detail what was happening, including exact words spoken, not just near to them but outside the room as well when their heart had stopped and brain function was zero. By your reasoning this should not happen. These are not Spiritualists who, as someone else has suggested, have a belief which causes these things to be imagined, they are anyone who has been taken to hospital and medical staff are talking to them afterwards so neither party are looking for this to happen. 
              There are cases of electrocution, people killed suddenly in road accidents who have been brought back and who talk about being fully aware and being able to see their lifeless bodies being treated by emergency services. Don't get me wrong I'm not trying to persuade you away from your belief I'm just trying to have a discussion that might explain how this can happen.
  • CockneyRebel
    CockneyRebel Community member Posts: 5,209 Disability Gamechanger
    @ wildlife
    An interesting point you have raised with regard to past lives. I have worked with pastlife trauma  regression therapy with some real success. Verifiable details emerged that could not have been known beforehand. I do not attempt to convince anyone else as to the validity, I know enough for myself.

    If we accept that past lives are, can we also accept that we are born again to earthly life ? or are these just memories etched into the ether that are simply picked up when the right receiver is born. Radio waves are out there but until you have a receiver and the correct tuning you cannot hear them.

    Namaste

    CR

    Be all you can be, make  every day count. Namaste
  • wildlife
    wildlife Community member Posts: 1,293 Pioneering
    I have a very down to earth logical mind and when presented with a huge amount of evidence for something I don't need to understand how it works. The evidence tells me that it is more likely than not to be true. To deny that there is anything but the physical life we're living now is to call all the Mediums of the world fakes, and all the authors of books containing examples of things we don't understand but that did actually happen fakes. Maybe their books should be reclassified as fiction. I cannot deny all that I know and see on a weekly basis. To my mind the evidence comes first and is what awakens enough curiosity for those with the necessary expertise, equipment and money to start investigating how that something works not whether or not it works. That's where we're at. 

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