Parents esa + pip

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  • janer1967
    janer1967 Online Community Member Posts: 21,922 Championing
    Hi there 

    I wouldn't expect you get any sense from putting it on their journal as the dwp administer benefits but are not benefits advisers 

    Try a benefits calculator found on gov website or yoh could contact welfare rights 

    Other members will be able to advise with more detail 

  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    Poppy- thank you for your reply! He's not getting the carers element. If I apply for this now, can it be backdated? 
    I was unsure what to put for the date he started caring for her as he always has done (though wasn't always receiving carers allowance for it)

    Janet- thank you! They literally never reply to anything I say even something I'd think was simple! ?‍♀️
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    If he reported being her carer when he claimed then it can be backdated. If not then they may not agree to backdate it. 
    What about reporting your mum’s health condition, has that been done? And the fit note?
  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    Yes I've reported her health condition and several fit notes! I didn't report the caters element and I hadn't really done benefit claims before and he didn't really get what it was ?‍♀️

    They took so so long to provide any info of what she would get and when they gave a date that she'd get the info she never got it. Anything I put on the journal wasn't replied to. 

    Just thought I'd check if she was in the right thing. 

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    The reason it takes so long is because each assessment period is for 1 month and it starts on the first day of your claim. You then receive your statement about 4 days before your payment. On your statement will have all the elements you're entitled to as well as all the deductions.
    You keep referring to it as your mum's claim but it's a joint claim.
    I believe you were advised to make sure your dad claims for the carers element. He will need to make sure he reports this onto his journal.
    Have they referred your mum for the work capability assessment yet? This should have been done about 29 days after she reported her health condition. If she hasn't been referred put a note onto her journal to ask them to refer her. Once this is done she'll receive the work capability assessment form to fill in and return.
  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    edited December 2021
    It took over 2 months to hear anything, I'm guessing it's just normal for the time. 

    She had a phone assessment.

    In my naivety I thought it'd be am automatic thing for the carers. Literally never applied for any form of benefit before, not even child benefit, so was a bit confused. 


  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    tanya189 said:
    She had a phone assessment.
    Was this a healthy assessment or just a UC telephone appointment?
  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    I'm not sure. They've said she has limited capability for work or qork related activity though. 

    I'm starting the carer thing but unsure what to say for the start date of caring
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    edited December 2021
    poppy123456 said: Also make sure that the carers element is included in with their maximum entitlement. For this check their statements on their journal. 
    It will not be included yet unless mum has had a WCA decision and been found to have a LCWRA.

    Dad should have the LCWRA element so he cannot get the carer element for looking after mum. Once mum is assessed, if she is found to have LCWRA then she will, after the waiting period, get the LCWRA element at which time dad will be able to get the carer element.

    (Hope I’ve got this clear - these long threads always get confusing.)

    OP, nonetheless it would still be sensible to report that dad is caring.

    calcotti said:
    Tanya, just want to remind you of a few points mentioned earlier for when your parents decide to claim UC 
    • your mum should get a Fit Note from her GP to support the claim
    • when they claim she should declare her health condition and provide details of the Fit Note
    • dad should declare that he looks after mum
    Provided they claim before dad reaches pension age his ESA Support Group status will transfer across as UC LCWRA.

    Initially the UC maximum amount will include the standard couple allowance, LCWRA element (for dad) and housing element.

    If, after a Work Capability Assessment, mum is found to have LCWRA she can have the LCWRA element, in which case dad can no longer have it but can have the carer element instead.

    Dad’s pensioner income will be deducted in full when calculating the amount of UC actually payable.
  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    Hi Calcotti  
    I didn't know dad could get that as he's over state pension age?
  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    Does this provide any assistance to their situation? We also have no idea what the deduction for debts thing is but haven't been able to get through to the number they gave us to call
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    edited December 2021
    tanya189 said:
    Hi Calcotti  
    I didn't know dad could get that as he's over state pension age?
    Get what? If you mean the LCWRA element the new provide details he claimed UC before reaching pension age the LCWRA status should have been carried over from ESA and paid from the start of the UC claim - as previously advised.

    The fact he is over pensioner age makes no difference.
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    edited December 2021
    tanya189 said:
    Does this provide any assistance to their situation? We also have no idea what the deduction for debts thing is but haven't been able to get through to the number they gave us to call
    It shows that the LCWRA element is included, presumably for dad (unless mum has had a WCA decision).
  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 64,463 Championing
    I did try to read through the whole thread but as you say calcotti it's not easy to do with threads that are long.
  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    Tbh I'm at the point where I'm going to give up finding out. I do thank you for all your advice. 

    I had a business to run and 2 kids and I'm feeling so stressed by being the only one that helps them. 
  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    edited December 2021
    But I really do thank you all.

    I have just asked on the journal If she has had a work capability assessment 
  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    Mum has said she hasn’t had an assessment. I have been providing fit notes from the beginning. I honestly thought as I’d said she had health problems, they’d have asked her to have one if it was necessary. Like they do with pip
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    edited December 2021
    Has she had the health questionnaire (UC50) to complete? If not, it needs to be requested. If it has been received, completed and returned then an assessment will follow but there are currently long delays.
  • tanya189
    tanya189 Online Community Member Posts: 61 Listener
    She completed the health part of the initial application. Nothing since then. On the history of her to do list it says health completed, not sure if that's the same
  • calcotti
    calcotti Online Community Member Posts: 10,001 Championing
    edited December 2021
    Sounds like she is waiting for an assessment. How long is it since the form was returned?

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