General election - party’s manifestos published this week starting 10th june

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  • Meg24
    Meg24 Community Member Posts: 390 Trailblazing

    Everyone apart from me in my family is a high earner and would be better off under the Tories proposals. However the cost would see me homeless and with nothing left to live for. Would you be happy to sacrifice a family member for a few extra takeaways?

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,583 Championing

    Heck no woodbine. Where did you find that gem?

    A political choice then as I said, not binding.

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    [Deleted User] Posts: 0 Empowering
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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,583 Championing

    Heck no WhatThe!

    Two-thirds of eligible voters did not vote for Brexit!

    (say what you mean and mean what you say)

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 5,583 Championing

    …and apologies to woodbine

  • Lostsoul13
    Lostsoul13 Community Member Posts: 137 Connected

    I’m voting green unless Labour can give some definite answers about benefits and bip- their manifesto is amazing for us..

    5% uplift of pip 40 extra for uc and esa etc


    Getting my vote??

  • Jimm_Alumni
    Jimm_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,713 Championing

    Oh, @apple85 you should be able to find the old thread now. An unconnected action removed it! I managed to delve back and bring it back from the dead.

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing
    edited June 2024

    Edit* post I forgot to post yesterday - I have the Tory manifesto highlighted ready to be paired with labour manifesto

    I’m just about to go through the Tory manifesto and condense down via screenshots and a blue highlighter (hope a bit of my soul doesn’t die in the process!)

    I will post on Thursday or Friday once labours manifesto is out and I’ve gone through it with a red highlighter and I’ll post minutes within each other so they can be compared practically side to side

    I will also do the same with the Green Party, snp, and reform manifesto’s as that rounds out the most significant players (unless people want parties like Sinn Fein, dup, etc……. Include)

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    Green party manifesto highlights (whole pages posted for context):

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  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    I agree that the green manifesto is the most disability friendly manifesto so far

    However a member described the Lib Dem manifesto as a ‘unicorn’ - something I disagree with - however I think part of their point was that the smaller party manifestos (such as greens, Lib Dem’s and reform - snp is the exception to the rule as they are a small uk political party but the last decade have been a dominant large party for Scotland so they have opportunities to carry out their manifesto plans - I’m personally interested in the snp manifesto when it drops as Scottish disability benefits are being taken a different route than the rest of the uk) are idealistic at best because chances are they will never be in power to carry them out. However this allows the freedom to come up with ambitious ideas that may actually trigger real ‘change’ the big 2 parties are prattling on about but only producing hot air


    The thing is that the greens have stated that their election target is 4 seats (specifically Brighton Pavilion, Bristol Central, North Herefordshire and Waveney Valley) - there are 650 total mp seats……..can’t do much with 4 backbenchers

    The Lib Dem’s could get anywhere between 25 and 70 seats (and the way sunak and the tories are imploding, have a shot in a very dimly lit room in terms of being the party in opposition and having the platform that comes with that


    if love to see the Lib Dem’s & green’s collaborate together as if one of the big 2 parties presents a libdem/greens merged manifesto clone id be a pretty happy duck right now (still don’t think any party is being inventive enough/thinking outside the box and there is many issues and past events all parties are conveniently ignoring or bypassing)


    finally a bit off topic but I’ll leave the following below (note: from newsnight on the bbc from a few nights back - I listened to the attached video, all text on tweet are direct quotes from Lucas):

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  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    I know many will criticise me for saying the following but I actually have time for Rory Stewart (Grew up in a somewhat privileged Tory stronghold - to me both disgraceful and decent Tory mps, members and voters have existed in my lifetime) - a very interesting read of the small print of being a mp

    https://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/article/2024/jun/03/rory-stewart-why-i-quit-mp-government

  • Meg24
    Meg24 Community Member Posts: 390 Trailblazing

    Unless you live a Brighton it's a wasted vote I'm afraid. They cannot win and their policies will not be implemented. If and when we ever get proportional representation, *that will be the time to give them your vote for power.

  • Lostsoul13
    Lostsoul13 Community Member Posts: 137 Connected

    let’s see what Labour manifesto is tomorrow… hopefully as good as greens. :) or at least some hope..

  • apple85
    apple85 Community Member Posts: 903 Championing

    I am keeping an eye out for the labour manifesto and will post the highlighted screenshots alongside the tories ones I’ve already prepared

  • Meg24
    Meg24 Community Member Posts: 390 Trailblazing

    My heart is in my mouth right now. I think the best outcome we can hope for is that they say nothing tbh. I hope someone is noticing just how effing scared we all are and put a stop to these attacks

  • Lostsoul13
    Lostsoul13 Community Member Posts: 137 Connected

    pretty much nothing about pip or benefits just getting people into work. Such disappointing manifesto..

  • Meg24
    Meg24 Community Member Posts: 390 Trailblazing
  • Lostsoul13
    Lostsoul13 Community Member Posts: 137 Connected

    yes I guess you’re right- but a few sources say they will still look into the green paper?

  • Ray212
    Ray212 Community Member Posts: 738 Empowering

    From the Manifesto :

    Too many people are out of work or not earning enough. Long waits for
    treatment of health conditions, particularly mental health, are
    contributing to the rise in economic inactivity. Labour will reform
    employment support so it drives growth and opportunity. Our system will
    be underpinned by rights and responsibilities – people who can work,
    should work – and there will be consequences for those who do not fulfil
    their obligations.

    We will bring Jobcentre Plus and the National Careers Service
    together to provide a national jobs and careers service, focused on
    getting people into work and helping them get on at work. We will ensure
    the service is responsive to local employers, inclusive for all users,
    and works in partnership with other local services.

    Labour will work with local areas to create plans to support more
    disabled people and those with health conditions into work. We will
    devolve funding so local areas can shape a joined-up work, health, and
    skills offer for local people. We will tackle the backlog of Access to
    Work claims and give disabled people the confidence to start working
    without the fear of an immediate benefit reassessment if it does not
    work out. We believe the Work Capability Assessment is not working and
    needs to be reformed or replaced, alongside a proper plan to support
    disabled people to work.

    One in eight young people are not in education, employment, or
    training, with those lacking good qualifications and with poor mental
    health facing particular disadvantages. Drawing together existing
    funding and entitlements, Labour will establish a youth guarantee of
    access to training, an apprenticeship, or support to find work for all
    18- to 21-year-olds, to bring down the number of young people who are
    not learning or earning. We will also guarantee two weeks’ worth of work
    experience for every young person, and improve careers advice in
    schools and colleges.

    We will work with the Scottish and Welsh Governments, and Mayors and
    Combined Authorities in England, to ensure all aspects of our new
    approach to Jobcentre Plus and employment support partner effectively
    with devolved provision, to offer the best opportunities for people
    right across the country.

  • Ray212
    Ray212 Community Member Posts: 738 Empowering