About the PM's (Sunak's) speech: Stop demonising us

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  • Cantilip
    Cantilip Community Member Posts: 615 Empowering

    Disabled people aren't an outgroup like immigrants or Jews, who can be separated from mainstream society. Sick and disabled people are aunts, cousins, nephews, nieces, grandfathers. People recognize people get sick. People know when they visit their grandparents Grandpa can't walk to the door. I think people's perceptions depend a lot on whether they feel isolated and the people immediately around them.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    Got a reply back for 2nd email from Sir Keir Starmer

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    I did try to post the email I got but it didn't come through

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    Don't know I selected, copied and pasted, look ok but it then it disappeared. It says what Labour want to do to help disabled people. It does mention help into work but not in a bullying way the torys are

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    My mp was a tory and stepped down, he was useless anyway

  • Albus_Alumni
    Albus_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 11,373 Championing

    HI @Catherine21 we've got your emails, thank you for sharing. I'll copy it over to here shortly with names removed. 😊

  • Albus_Alumni
    Albus_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 11,373 Championing

    From Kier Starmers email (thanks @Catherine21)

    "Dear…,

    Thank you for your email to Sir Keir Starmer KC in relation to Labour’s plans for disabled people. At this point in time, Keir is receiving an extremely high volume of correspondence, so he has asked me to respond on his behalf.  I’m very sorry for any delay in getting back to you.

    Your views, personal experiences and observations have been noted and shared with the relevant policy teams.

    Over the last ten years, disabled people have been disproportionately impacted by the Conservative Government failure, with a broken system of social security and social care that has failed to support disabled people to live fulfilling and independent lives.

    Labour is committed to the social model of disability and the principle of working with disabled people, so their views and voices are at the heart of all we do.

    Labour is committed to championing the rights of disabled people and to the principle of working with them, so that their views and voices will be at the heart of all we do.

    Labour will always treat disabled people with dignity and respect. Labour will protect disabled people by making all existing strands of hate crime an aggravated offence.

    Labour will work with local areas to create plans to support more disabled people and those with health conditions into work. We will devolve funding so local areas can shape a joined-up work, health, and skills offer for local people.

    Labour believes the Work Capability Assessment is not working and needs to be reformed or replaced, alongside a proper plan to support disabled people to work. We will tackle the backlog of Access to Work claims and give disabled people the confidence to start working without the fear of an immediate benefit reassessment if it does not work out.

    Labour will improve the reasonable adjustments process so that the system works better for those that need it and will examine how to best achieve this in detail if we form the next government.

    Labour will make flexible working the default from day one for all workers, with employers required to accommodate requests as far as is reasonable. Labour will ensure workers can benefit from flexible working, including opportunities for flexi-time contracts.

    Labour will introduce mandatory disability pay reporting for organisations with more than 250 employees. We will act to close the employment gap and enshrine in law the full right to equal pay for disabled people.

    Labour is committed to reviewing universal credit so that it makes work pay and tackles poverty.

    Labour is committed to championing the rights of disabled people and to the principle of working with them, so that their views and voices will be at the heart of all we do.

    Labour is the Party of change and will change the country for the better if elected on July 4.

    If you have any further questions or requests please don’t hesitate to get in touch. 

    Best wishes,

    Alistair

    Membership Services

    The Labour Party"

  • judie
    judie Community Member Posts: 336 Empowering

    Maybe it's just me but does that Labour response mention anywhere people who cannot work at all?

  • Rachel_Scope
    Rachel_Scope Posts: 4,569 Online Community Team

    Hi @Catherine21, just to let you know I've just had to remove the email address from your post as we don't allow them in discussions 😊

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    I think they may not want to answer because of votes, they want to appeal to tory voters , and reform.by saying this it looks like the will be getting the welfare sorted. Maybe if they get in , they hopefully will address this issue

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    Mine is the same answer as yours Catherine

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,375 Championing

    I think it's good that those that would like to try working can do so without being penalised. We have a lot of threads on here asking if they can work while claiming UC with either LCW or LCWRA as well as ESA and permitted work questions. Many people are scared of even trying to work incase the work they do goes against their claim.

  • judie
    judie Community Member Posts: 336 Empowering

    Oh definitely! It says they are intending to make it much easier to attempt work without automatically having to be re-assessed if the job doesn't work out. Excellent news, as is the help they say will be offered to force employers to be more helpful and fairer to disabled. However, some people have no hope in hell of ever being able to participate in the world of employment and they are worried sick because with no mention of this group they feel seriously overlooked and dehumanised, as is all too normal

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    I used to work, until last year, but now my health has got so much worse. This concerns me too, I struggle day to day. Mine won't get better, it's not that I don't want to I physically can't. Maybe an hour volunteering I don't know even that a push at the moment

  • apples
    apples Community Member Posts: 562 Empowering

    Hmmmm, not sure what to make of that reply it scares me he wants to reform or replace the wca is that to make it harder? I struggle around people leave my house so not sure how I’ll cope if I have to work as I’ll end up kicking off at people

  • Jimm_Alumni
    Jimm_Alumni Scope alumni Posts: 5,686 Championing

    I imagine for many as well, they've had such bad experiences asking for reasonable adjustments in previous jobs they just begin to believe there is no workplace that will accommodate what adjustments they need. I've had employers not take my requests for reasonable adjustments seriously, at least until I started at Scope 😁

    Remote working really can open up a lot for many people with disabilities. But I firmly disagree with forcing people into work, instead emphasis should be put on educating employers and just people in general about adjustments and what your rights are as a disabled person in the workplace.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community Member Posts: 1,468 Championing

    They had thise work places remploy I think they were called, when Cameron and Osborne got in the closed them all down, making disabled people unemployed

  • Cantilip
    Cantilip Community Member Posts: 615 Empowering

    How this seems to me - I think I've picked up there are (or were, closed down by cuts), specific schemes to help disabled people into work but the DWP has no power over the average employer, the owner of your local factory or high street shop, so, they can say you ought to work but they cannot make anyone employ you. @Jimm_Scope is this the case?

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community Member Posts: 64,375 Championing

    No one can make any employer employ someone and this includes the Government.

    If someone is found fit for work and they don't do what is asked of them then yes you can be sanctioned.

    As for any possible changes in the future, no one knows anything at all right now so all the questions you have asked can't be answered. You keep speculating what may or may not happen but no one knows, including yourself. All that labour has said is "those that can work, should work" and that can mean anything.