Managed migration starting September 2024
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I agree absolutely vile what labour are doing to us
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And DWP still sending migration letters
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Has there been an update since Labour won the election about whether they propose to continue with the migration to UC - Whether they will continue with it at the same speed or slow it down - just anything. My local MP has not responded. Thanks, Izzy
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I get pip and esa
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I find it unfair that people who get new style esa and refugee status do not have to go on UC thats so wrong labour aren't going to do anything thier a letdown
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The ORIGINAL delivery date for most legacy benefits migration was 2024/25.
This is not a new date but one that was suspended and is no longer suspended.
UC managed migration was accelerated from May 2024 - 7 years behind schedule.
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No
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technically you’re correct
Honestly I have no clue of the ‘original’ original completion date of uc managed migration (how many times has the uc rollout timetable changed? - it’s honestly too many times to remember)
(And the 2028/2019 timetable which is still the most recent ‘official’ timetable change - as the suspended rollout reversal has yet to be 100% confirmed…….the most up to date official gov uc rollout still has the 2028/29)
but how you describe it as suspended rollout that is no longer suspended - basically the continuous timetable changes does mess up claimants and no ‘official confirmation of the change’ does cause anxiety for some (not knowing for sure when something is going to happen messes with internal prep)
I not disagreeing with your post at all - just posting out that recent silence on rollout timetable is not helpful from labour/dwp0 -
I'm sorry to say it has all been confirmed and is already underway so there should be no doubts about the intended timescale.
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Why is it wrong for those claiming New style ESA? It's not means tested so will never be part of UC. People claim this because they were entitled to it because of their NI contributions from working in the 2 tax years prior to their claim starting. It's not means tested like UC is.
Many people that are claiming New style ESA are already claiming UC to top up their income anyway. In this case the ESA is deducted in full from any UC entitlement.
There are some people that are not entitled to UC due to either savings/capital, living with a partner that works or receive other income such as pensions.
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it’s possible that you’ve read something I have it (and when you say ‘already underway’ I presume you are referring to this - - which is a test group rather than full rollout imo)
I stand by my personal assessment - this latest timetable change has not been 100% confirmed (pencilled in only) and there are doubts about the intended timescale
(Poppy - if you’re around and have a moment would you be able to provide further clarification on whether the latest esa/esa+hb uc managed migration rollout from sept 2024-dec 2025 is a 100% done deal - if anyone’s up to date it’s you…….thanks for your time in advance)
below is the latest info I have:
the dwp have an official newsletter called touchbase. The most recent newsletter I found was from 17th May 2024 (note I can’t find a touchbase newsletter for June & July 2024 anywhere - it’s possible they didn’t publish anything new but also that no ones posted those ones online so the dwp could of made further progress in those ones)Below is the most up to date status report from the dwp
Note the use of the word ‘assumption’ - this shows that in mid May the newest rollout was still only pencilled inNow I’ve done some more digging since and I believe I have found the guides distributed to stakeholders which I’ll post below (full disclosure- all the info I’ve been finding is from NI Direct which is the official gov site for Northern Ireland - it’s possible n Ireland could have a totally different uc rollout schedule from the rest of the uk - however (and prehaps another member can confirm this) I think so far the uc rollout timetable has been exactly the same in all 4 uk nations so I think the links have relevance)
Which gives the link to the following stakeholder document
https://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/communities/dfc-move-to-uc-stakeholder-guide.pdf
(which is a really helpful read on the universal credit managed migration process in general and well worth a read)
Anyway I took this screenshot (this doc was published mid June)
there was a link on this doc that I followed that led me to the below webpage
And potentially the most up to date timetable of uc managed migration that I’ve found as of yet (site says it regularly updates to any changes so it’s most likely up to date)
I’ll once again say that this could be a Northern Ireland schedule only
However if the above applies to the rest of the uk also the change of timetable for the esaonly/esa+hb groups have yet to be officially set. Also there’s quite a bulky jsa group due before us
Also it looks like the dwp will tackle the ‘esa only’ legacy group before the ‘esa + hb’ group
edit:From the gov.uk site (as official as you can get and likely up to date)
confirms all the info I posted from the ni gov site is correct (well it’s lining up now with the bits we are concerned with at least -the upcoming jsa, esa only and esa+hb groups)
Also confirmed that esaonly/esa+hb group rollout has a pencilled in start in autumn 2024 (mid oct 2024 earliest as the big jsa group starts in sept and that will take time) - but notice the TBC (to be confirmed)
I hope that clarify things a bit (I’ll post a condensed post later if this one overwhelms with its length)5 -
Thanks meg24
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@Apple85 I can't find anything more than you have and I have no other information to give. The roll out applies to all of the UK, including N.Ireland.
If I hear anything then of course I will update everyone.
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I am still hoping that there will be some sort of legal challenge to the removal of the SDP or at least of them including increasing housing costs as a way of eroding the TP. As it stands with my yearly increase in rent and the loss of the uprating, my TP will be almost halved in the first year and gone by the second. I'm going to be approximately £50 p/week worse off. I just don't know how I manage that, what on earth do I cut to cover that?! I already don't get enough PIP to cover my costs because I have to pay for my car out of my ESA as low rate mobility only pays about half of what I need, then I have to pay the bedroom tax on my home of 16 years that it would severely damage my MH to leave.
I know that someone who has been forced to naturally migrate is still in the process of taking them to court over these losses, Disabilitynewsservice.com reports on it periodically
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I have an update on the uc managed migration rollout from my mega post back from July 26th:
According to the official gov rollout site
Uc rollout has started for ALL legacy claimants (the esa only and esa+hb groups have changed from ‘to be announced’ to ‘from September 2024’) - presuming the most up to date Tory rollout plans are still active every legacy claimant will be expecting an uc invite letter anytime between now and sept 2025 - basically a lottery (esp if there is no upcoming benefit freeze as those switching over after the start of the new tax year in April 2025 would be better off (if transactional protection is respected) due to benefit updating)
however according to the official NI gov site (which should have the same timetable as the rest of the uk and the ucmove.gov site above) they’ve had different updates made to their timetableIf you compare the updated timetable to the one I posted back in July there has been some major changes in schedule (the esa only and esa+hb group still say ‘You will be asked to move to Universal Credit at a later date ’ - but there has obviously been massively delays at least in NI as the following groups (hb only, jsa only, jsa+hb, income support only) have had their original rollout dates scrapped and now read ‘You will be asked to move to Universal Credit at a later date’ also. Taxcredits+jsa group and taxcredits+jsa+hb group seemed to have been delayed from an April-July 2024 start to a October 2024 start)
now it’s possible that ni could have a different uc rollout timetable to the rest of the ukBut when chatting to poppy back in July she thought (and I also believed) that ALL of the uk would have the same rollout timetable
Now both timetables come from reputable official government websites so I’d be surprised if either site made a mistake updating their respective timetable (though the media seems to think all legacy claimants could receive a uc invite at any point)
To summarise I’m not sure if ni has a different rollout timetable to the rest of the uk but it would probably be best for all scope forum readers to keep and eye out and report on the forum when they got a uc invite (and what legacy group they were in)
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Yet in the House Of Commons Library it still says 2028/29.
https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9984/
The managed migration of claimants of income-related Employment and Support Allowance (ESA) only, or incomed-related ESA and Housing Benefit, has been delayed until 2028/29. This will involve around 600,000 households.
We know that it’s not correct now and it’s definitely from now because there are some people that are already receiving their migration letters that only claim Income Related ESA and housing Benefit. There’s been a few people on here in the last week or so.
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I am still very confused about all of this! My main concern now is what happens if you don’t receive your migration letter? Let’s say the post is late or something because I have letters that I know I’ve been sent to me from PIP since March and they still haven’t arrived so my fear is if I don’t receive the migration letter, will they contact you by phone? Does anyone know?
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Yes, they'll contact you by phone if you don't respond to the migration letter within a few weeks.
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they’ve only just started - when the tories readjusted the uc migration rollout schedule their plan was the remaining legacy claimants would be getting an uc invite letter between sept 2024 - sept 2025 (with full uc rollout completion aimed for dec 2025 by the dwp)
below is from the pdf the dwp stakeholders were sent before the summer and very worth while everyone reading the whole pdfhttps://www.communities-ni.gov.uk/sites/default/files/publications/communities/dfc-move-to-uc-stakeholder-guide.pdf
but below are the pages that should answer your concerns
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