October 7th - diary date
It is being reported that Parliament will be addressed by DWP ministers ( either Liz Kendall / Sir Stephen Timms ) regarding the government's plans for disability benefits on October 7th - a date for us all to note.
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Thanks for sharing @JonnycJonny, it'll be interesting to hear what they have to say.
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Months back i heard things about them wanting to get the unwell back to work which is terrible to say they spend so much money on other countries in name of foreign aid.. Lately it seems all about tax increases & there was nothing that Starmer said about benefits so is the budget just all about tax rises & not about getting the unwell to work or am i missing something.. It seems the disability benefit thing has disappeared or is it still there as not heard anything of it in the news?
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Certainly be interesting
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It's all been about winter fuel payments in the budget plans, nothing about the disabled. I haven't heard anything on the news lately? Makes my blood boil that they can give millions to countries that send people into space & yet not care about the vulnerable.. Didn't one of the labour politicians, a lady i think say they were focusing on them that can work? Or have i got it wrong?
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Just realized I had a GP appointment on October 7 and that was not a good idea because it is unlikely that Ms Kendall will put me in a good mood, that I shall dance into the surgery, hallo birds, hallo trees, isn't life wonderful, and stress = increased pain and stiffness so have moved it to the 17th.
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Guardian reporting them saying there will be "difficult decisions" on tax, spending and welfare" in the budget.
Why do they always take from the people who have the least? What happened to the wealth tax, the windfall tax, taxing banker's bonuses, fining the water companies etc etc.
Yet again it's taxes on the middle earners and more poverty for the already poor.
It's a disgrace.
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Another deal to give Ukraine £600m we should be thinking of our own first
im dreading the 7 October, if they’ve took the winter fuel payments from the vulnerable adults, they are capabable of anything 😡
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I'm fine with foreign aid, if we don't stop Putin we're all in trouble and we are the sixth richest nation in the world, not to mention responsible for the legacies of Empire, it's the least we can do. Humanity will never evolve beyond this me first mentality until we see ourselves as one global peoples. We're all human after all and we only get one go at life. I feel lucky every day that I was born here, I didn't do anything special to deserve it and I am fine with spreading the good fortune. What's needed imo is to put an end to a small group of people hoarding all the wealth and resources, and that starts with a global tax, a ban on secretive tax havens, then hopefully moves forward from there.
Blaming other poor people or those living in a war zone solves nothing and only create hatred towards people who are not responsible for their situation.
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Thank you for the heads up, will be interesting to hear what the Government’s plans are.
On a side note, but relevant to the discussion, when the Chancellor talks about tough decisions to be made on welfare in the October budget, I am thinking that if the proposals regarding PIP do not go ahead that it may be a benefit freeze for a number of years, so they don’t increase each year with inflation.
That isn’t confirmed, but the Chancellor keeps saying though decisions on welfare need to be made and if PIP proposals don’t go ahead this is the only other ‘tough’ decision I can think of.
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Meg24, don’t get me wrong, we all want putin stopped and yes we are lucky to be born here, but when he’s giving millions away, talks about black hole, takes winter fuel payments from the vulnerable adults and talking about more tough decisions on the way, I just feel we should be focusing on us first (us being the country)
autisticboy the only thing I can think of is means tested PIP or making it hard to apply for
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Hi Tumilty the 'benefit thing' hasn't disappeared.
The DWP and the government have been looking at the responses from the Green paper consultation regarding pip
I expect we may hear something about the outcome on 7th October until then everything being said is just speculation and a lot of scaremongering.
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I think my perspective may be a little different because I have know a few asylum seekers and met quite a few people who compared to us, have come from lives most of us can't even imagine.
It is a huge problem that despite being a rich nation, the inequality between the haves and the have nots is absolutely massive, much worse than in most other western economies.
The answer imo is not to withdraw aid, but to redress the balance of inequality. Spread the money out more - it's there, and there is enough to help everyone including our brothers and sisters abroad.
There is no doubt many British people are struggling and suffering, but believe me there are far worse places to be born.
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@apples there are children blown to a million pieces, orphaned, have seen things no one should ever see in their lives, would you honestly withhold financial help from them? You don’t think Putin is a threat to us all, if you don’t I suggest you read more about him. I am as stressed as anyone else about what they plan to do to benefits, because it’s an already horrible and degrading journey to try and get them now, let alone before they make it harder. Having a disability is very hard and it requires help. However, even that being said we should ALL count our blessings we are not living in a country where every night missiles are going around and soldiers are there to kill you. Trust me, you think you have problems, you want to see how many in Ukraine, Syria, Congo, and many, many others live. We can be scared of our own situation but still appreciate what we do have.
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@LIVEDANDLEARNED if you read my reply to meg24 you would have read that yes I do believe putin is a threat, and I hate to think children are being killed or orphaned, but it seems others are being put before our own, take migrants being put in hotels, 3 meals a day, warmth and shelter, I bet the elderly would be grateful for that comfort, but I also appreciate why the migrants are coming here to escape their war torn countries
i Just feel our government should be putting British people first
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There are different budgets for different things. There is a foreign aid budget and it is right and proper for the UK to help migrants, escaping things that we could NEVER cope with. Having said all that, people with disabilities should not be treated as the dregs of society, grateful for any crumbs thrown at them. They should also not be treated as if they are ‘naughty’ for being on benefits. There needs to be a balance for all. For too long disabled people have been overlooked & the fact that they’ve left us all in limbo for so long worrying what they are going to do doesn’t help. However, we can feel bad for ourselves and all those who seek refuge here too. I just hope and pray the Government do the right thing by us. I don’t appreciate the silence though.
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Catherine I couldn’t have said it better myself, when we have OUR veterans on the streets with no support but the migrants being put in hotels being fed having warmth grrrr 😡 and with the difficult decisions any one of us could be homeless, yes we are a tiny island and bursting at the seems, not enough housing, and the rent for private is so high that people can’t afford it
Lived and learned, yes I agree there is a foreign aid budget which is a separate matter but as you say the silence is not good
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My thought exactly, putting others before our own 👍
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Well I for one am glad we have a foreign aid budget. Imagine if Ukraine lost to Putin, do you think he would stop there. Imagine if Putin then built his army back up and declared war on say Poland. WW2 tells us all we need to know and lets hope history never repeats itself. It isn't a case of paying foreign aid instead of paying our pensioners, it's a simple case of keeping Europe safe.
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I think here the comparison of foreign aid vs welfare funding isn't taking in the whole picture.
Of course we should be providing better welfare, but it isn't true that the options are we give foreign aid or we have better welfare.
As other commenters have mentioned, we are a wealthy country. We have one of the largest economies in the world. The issue, as again other members have mentioned, is inequality. There is enough money to pay for both foreign aid and better welfare, we can see that just by looking at other countries doing both with smaller economies. It's better to look at where the money is going instead of helping those in need, both foreign and our own.
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Hey @Catherine21, when you say "down tools" do you mean a strike? Strikes can be held if the majority of the union agree to do so of course. Strikes have shown to be very powerful tools to negotiate.
However, boycotting taxes is a different matter. You can get in serious trouble and debt by not paying your taxes. I'm a bit concerned about some of the rest of your comment though. While facial recognition is a legitimate concern, 15 minute cities is a well-known conspiracy theory. Nobody anywhere is seriously suggesting that you only let people travel 15 minutes.
15 Minute Cities is a public infrastructure design principle that everyone should have everything they need within 15 minutes of where they live if possible. So they should have shops, doctors, entertainment, parks etc.
It has recently been heavily pushed in the United States, because there they can have places called "food deserts" where there are no grocery shops or doctors for miles. It can take 30-40 minutes of driving to get shopping, even within settlements. Here we are lucky, in that walking is far more common, so many of us already live within 15 minutes of a shop.
I think people are using and manipulating your fear to get you worked up and worried about things more than is reasonable or necessary. You mentioned when you get wound up in the fear your daughter often helps you with it if I remember correctly?
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