Interesting snippets from the Labour conference
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Yeah, me too. This morning has been the most stressful I can remember, waking up to this bovine excrement.
Labour have just swerved so sharply and far to the right, the Tories must have whiplash just trying to see what's happened.
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Remember the DWP have always had the ability to investigate a claimants bank account if they suspect fraud. They are not going to monitor everyone's bank account continuously, only if they have reasonable suspicion of fraud.
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I tried to quote only the bit I'm commenting on / replying to, but wasn't able to, sorry; not sure what's going on with that.
While I understand the distinction you're making, the … "meta-message" that's been carried with what's been said is "benefits-scroungers- badwrong!", and is broadly tarring a whole swathe of people with the same brush.
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What is defined as disabled that what worries me
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scopes response:
Still trying to find substantial quotes from Kendall’s speech from this morning
(Ever watched Kendall speak with the sound off? - she has the mcvey aura……..her facial expressions and body language looks so vicious that it’s scary to view - apparently she borderline screams too
It would be so nice not to have a dwp minister not filled with hate but compassion - but such a dwp minister would be as rare as a unicorn)
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a search says your disabled under the 2010 equality act if you have a physical or mental impairment that has a substantial and long term negative effect on your ability to do normal daily activities
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Vicky Foxcroft was a great ally for disabled people and would've made a great DWP minister.
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yea that's why they didn't make her DWP minister lol
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to be fair to myself the only 2 links I provided on these latest quotes was from the guardian and bbc - source wise you can’t get more reputable
and I read through the articles pretty carefully
In the past the tories said that those who can work will work with the most vulnerable being protected
Starmer in his quotes didn’t explicitly differentiate between the different type of ppl who claim long term sickness benefits (whether disabled or not)
At best he acknowledged for some it would be a difficult transaction (but at no put suggested anyone on long term sickness benefits would be exempt from this push into work)
I am hoping the whole interview will be posted soon online so I can post it and we can see the full quotes and actual tone used
But to me starmers words were cold and I think a few of you are grasping on straws (most on long term sickness benefits do have a disability and/or health condition - starmers quotes didn’t suggest any exemptions, just it would be tough on some)
if you look back at the analysis of a few media articles I’ve been more than happy to call out scaremongering by the media - but this is direct quotes from starmerI want to see the entire video of this interview but it’s very hard to be optimistic about any of the direct quotes from starmer I’ve read today so far
but for those sticking to their guns and saying this won’t be imposed on scope forum members, I’ll post the bbc write up of starmers quotes and you point out where it suggests disabled ppl will be exempt from this (I’ll happily eat my words and hold my hand up if wrong)
sorry if I sound negative and of course final judgement will be made after the autumn budget and disability white paper which should be published by the end of November
But bluntly the ‘preview’ does not fill with hope
And the provisional calling of starmer as a snake is based on now compared to the starmer at the Labour leadership vote 4 years back (particularly 2 different people it seems currently)
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for all this that he is saying though NHS waiting lists need to be fixed and i can't see that happening any time soon the tories will be back in next election
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If people think they are not targeting the disabled (Those on this forum) Then why are they considering making PIP a non cash payment? That surely is aimed right at the disabled, not those who are long term sick.
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Where did you hear that?
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I think I’d get in trouble in replying in the way I’d like to
I don’t appreciate the implication that I’ve lost my head a bit
I’m an extremely logical person that if they sees a creature that waddles like a duck and quacks like a duck, bluntly my (first) impression will be that I’m looking at duck
I’m happy to peddle back in the future and apologise if I’m off the mark.
But at no point did starmer suggest that not working was an option for the sizable percentage of the disabled community who wouldn’t be able to regardless of support introduced
And I’ve called out ppl on our so called side in the past (and gotten attacked for it) - I’m the first one that says the disabled community need to be more realistic in their demands and sympathising with the dwp/treasury (part way through writing a multi part post on it on another scope thread)
I am disgusted about the language starmer is using today
But final judgement will come on how Labour intend to encourage more disabled to work
Welfare cuts and making pip means tested will be counterproductive (another benefit freeze for 1-2 years is the only semi acceptable compromise and I don’t think many scope members would agree with me there.
And yes there are schemes but they are the ones the tories introduced - the job centre doesn’t even have specialist disability advisers anymore as the tories got rid of them - job support for disabled is currently woeful and Labour has a lot of hard work to do before even asking one disabled person if they would look towards work with the right support
I can’t tell anyone how worried they should be because that’s due to personal circumstanceI’ve personally got a few additional reasons why I’m pretty mad at the path Labour is taking but I won’t share in public what those are (as I know even with the massive incoming hits my future is likely to take - I still have my support system and that makes me a fortunate individual) only say that my goodwill, patience and understanding towards Labour is in short supply
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that’s true - we obviously need to see the complete bill
but Labour wouldn’t be submitting a new bill if they were seeking additional powers on this0 -
They want to make the banks responsible for flagging up suspicious activity to the DWP, just as they already have to inform the police of abnormal transactions
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what counts as being disabled in the uk under the uk officially definition is actually pretty open (anxiety and depression are defined as disabilities- which regardless of your opinion on that would push up the number of uk disabled by a lot
below is a bit of scaremongering article from the Liverpool echo (and I’m still reading through the ifs report it refers to but it does bring up some interesting pointsIn particular
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Finally some honesty from this party, it took long enough to come out.
"Keir Starmer has said he believes that people claiming long-term sickness benefits should be expected to look for work."
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/c5y8g5z67lzo
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It was in a Benefits and Work email I received today but having just re-read it it was saying we will have to see if Starmer also includes these Tory ideas. I misunderstood this (Tired and like most, worrying) So hopefully not.
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here’s the ifs report link published a few days ago if anyone wants a read
It’s a throughly interesting piece which partly explains why we are where we are and mentions many options the gov have tackling the increase in disability/sickness based welfare
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I have always felt the harshest way to apply cuts is to change eligibility, a simple cut would be more fair and less cruel.
Why? Because if you change eligibility, you get people who currently have support moving to no support at all, to them its not a cut, its a yank the safety net from beneath them. That is far worse than making a payment cut to every recipient whilst not changing eligibility.
Kind of ironic to call a think tank that wants to remove kindness, and safety nets as social justice.
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