Job Centre staff working within NHS Hospitals
Thought the community here would appreciate reading this article - cannot vouch for the content but it would appear to endorse what was said at the Party Conference. Perhaps we'll here more on Monday.
Best wishes to all
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Pretty stupid idea. I'm no expert, but I'm pretty sure this would be interfering in doctor patient confidentiality, which would have all kinds of legal repercussions.
And as anyone who has spent time in hospital knows, visitation is pretty restricted, so I highly doubt some stranger from a JobCentre would be able to just walk in and be given access to patients to pester them about job opportunities!
Methinks this idea hasn't been thought through properly. If at all. There is no way in Hell it'll work.
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-Sigh- more speculation.. 🙄 we all need to wait to see if anything is announced on 30th October. All of this isn't helping anyone at all.
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A more credible source. ..maybe.
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Thank you for sharing the article x
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No to airbus 300….yes to nimbus 3000 :-)….gotta try to laugh….right ?
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As I said, I cannot vouch for the content of the Guardian article - but it does align with what Wes Streeting & Liz Kendall have been saying. The Guardian may be more reliable than other media sources, but then again …
Best wishes
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@JonnycJonny i was grateful you posted the article and was happy to read through it. We know any article posted isn’t necessarily set in stone, but I was glad you posted it and thank you for it x
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Some doctors surgeries already have non surgery staff within them "encouraging" engagment for work. At least they do specifically for those with severe mental illness. Im not sure for other conditions.
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They're playing with fire. The fire being our lives. If someone is sick enough to not only need but be able to get assigned hospital based mental health care, then the first thing on their minds should be a way of managing their disability, and they may or may not include seeking 'recovery' whatever that means. The very last thing on the list, and only when people have recovered sufficiently, might be some paid employment if that it appropriate for them.
Work does not cure severe mental health disabilities. Some can be managed to enable some people to be employed when they are well, and those people will seek employment as a natural part of their health.
I'm sick to death of them pushing this 'work cure'ideology, it was invented by politicians, not by mental health professionals and it's nonsense, and extremely damaging for people to ignore their mental illnesses in order to push beyond their capabilities without first addressing them.
Healthy people want to be employed and are able to seek out support to do so. Forcing unhealthy people to do it does not help them at all.
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well i don't even drive a car but if you insist i fly a big aeroplane, but could you warn all the passengers and there families first
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'You need to work, you're not that ill'
'But I wont be able to cope with it, I'm not well enough, please don't!'
'Well then your money is going to be stopped!'
Maybe this is where the assisted dying will come in.
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Estonians have a saying: Töö on lollide ja hobuste jaoks. -Work is for fools and horses.
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I don't see anywhere in this article that suggests people will be forced to work. In fact the article mentions that the current system is incredibly punitive, and they want the system to be less punitive. More about giving support to those that want to work, than punishing people for not working.
At least, that's what I got from that article. Whether putting teams in hospitals that will help people with finding work will actually do anything, I am unsure. What we currently have though isn't great, I hope there can one day be a supportive system rather than a punitive system.
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My thoughts too Jimm
Too much speculation and scaremongering seems to be making a lot of people paranoid and frightened.
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This lazy chap should return to his job as a road sweeper and stop malingering ?
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There has always been propaganda with speculation and intimidation; we must treat it as information and look at who benefits from it.
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I tend to only rely on facts and not scaremongering or speculation.
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The disadvantage of this approach is the same as that of the event response system. Therefore, such control systems are practically not used). This approach is used in medicine, the result of this approach is the appearance of disabled people. Also remember that it is not always possible to distinguish fact from speculation.
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I cannot imagine senior managers and doctors welcoming the DWP onto NHS premises to badger sick people.
There's a third party in this: the employer. Some years ago, I knew two cancer patients undergoing postoperative treatment. It was gruelling. They were unable to work.
During this period they were subject to aggressive phone calls from their employers for dates when they would return to work. It caused huge distress.
I can see a role for the DWP in liaising with a patient's employer so that a sick person does not lose their job unnecessarily.
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