Obesity
Watching news and kier starver saying offering jabs for obesity to get people to get back to work I wonder if thier offer brain surgery for mental health problems maybe a lobotomy?
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I understand for some people who might want this
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Is it not a good idea? It will help not only with peoples health but it will be less strain on the NHS. How this equates to mental health I've no idea…
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From how Labour were talking before the elections, their whole plan is to help people back into work, but ultimately focusing on preventative measures. So better NHS services, access to decent mental health support.
So offering to help with obesity seems to be running along those original lines as it'll prevent those people needing to use more NHS resources with obesity related illnesses. Personally I see it as a positive thing.
With regard to mental health, again, I expect it'll be more about preventing people from having a mental health crisis in the first place, by offering support and making sure employers aren't working people into the ground. I'm guessing here of course.3 -
Ah that sounds better than my mind working overtime thankyou
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Hi Cathrine21
Its not something the government can force people into but as you say some people will want to have it done. X
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I don't trust them whats actually in the jab a
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Me neither but if people decide to have them its their choice.
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HhHhhhh I'd gladly have a lobotomy ! Give myself a break
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Oh irn Bru haven't had that in years so popular in Scotland
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Hi
Obesity and mental health are two different things, although one could affect the other. I have been saying for years and I empathic towards many people, but why give people with an eating, drug or alcohol problem money so they can continue harm themself and feed their addiction?
If there is help for obesity that's GREAT NEWS, especially if it can give someone their life back! It would also be great if there was help more help for people with mental health needs that would also be great as it would also help people with addiction issues! Most people want to be well and to have their life back.
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So they profit from the rollout of the jabs people with diabetes will notice shortages and the next thing will be offering euthanasia to people happening in Canada already I didn't have covid jabs I won't even have flu jabs do not trust goverment
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Did you see post about Stephen timms saying thier not going to put pip as vouchers it's on here
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One of the drugs in question is Mounjaro I believe? Which is very popular with the weight loss community. Though it's also used by some diabetics, so I'm hoping they'll be able to keep stocks up. And like any medication, it comes with its own risks. But I still see this as a positive step toward taking some strain off the NHS. Focusing on preventative medicine seems like the smart move.
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For many people the obesity can be a compounding issue. It is often comorbid with clinical depression, other mental health conditions and physical conditions. I don't think anyone is suggesting that there are not other conditions that will also need to be treated properly for many. If the government can at least help people who do have obesity with this medication, putting aside if you agree with the effectiveness of it or not, it means one less condition they are having to be concerned about and deal with.
I don't think anybody considers this a magic bullet that will resolve all situations for anyone who is obese, but there are many people who would be greatly helped by treating their obesity.
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Folks, can we please nip this in the bud now? I am asking very nicely.
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Weight loss is contentious issue, but everyone's opinion here is a valid one
As a bigger person, I've struggled with my weight my whole life, I've tried many diets, loss lots of weight and then just put it all back on again.
I'm my experience there is usually a reason behind a person's overeating, poor self esteem, trauma, depression etc, etc and until we get to the bottom of why we do it and break those bad habits, nothing will work. My worry is that these injections cannot go on indefinitely can they?What happens after someone comes off of them? will they just go back to old habits? it's all a lot more complex than just giving someone a course of injections and then simply leaving them to it..
I hope the Government have a long term plan in place to keep on supporting those who choose to take up such an offer, I think it needs a holistic approach to truly work.
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Personally I wouldn't trust any drug thier pushing Covid being an example they really don't have people's best intreast thats my option
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The idea of therapy for weight loss would a great option, not everyone wants medication, just some help to understand why some folk do overeat and what can be done to support them and understand how to break the cycle of overeating.
Plus, let's not forget it can also be down to economics, as cheaper food can often be the least healthy, people who cannot work don't have endless funds (and I know people who do work often don't either!) to buy good quality, healthy food.
Yes, it is complex and as you said, very different for everyone.
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Having read through this thread, I'd say from a medical point of view that the goal of obesity management is to improve health.
As far as Covid & flu vaccines go, they're offered to those whom the medical community has identified as benefitting from them, which guides the govt of the day. I see the govt's handbook on this was last revised last month as far as Covid-19 goes:
Vaccines on the whole are really safe; very rare (here in the UK reported as 15 people in a million) occurrences of a serious side effect occurred with one of the Covid-19 vaccines, AstraZeneca, which is no longer offered.
I hope we can therefore have confidence in such vaccines. Looking at both sides of things we did see instances of some of our members following a Covid vaccination suffering from shoulder injury related to vaccine administration (SIRVA). This is due to the vaccine being incorrectly being administered into the shoulder joint rather than into the deltoid muscle. Historically this had happened with other vaccines, so was nothing new with the Covid-19 vaccine.
Apologies for digressing, but anyone offered Covid-19 & other vaccines should have confidence in them; they reduce serious side-effects & the risk of hospitalisation.
I don't think anyone would be against those needing GLP-1 RAs for their usual medical indication, but then this thread went on to discuss 'obesity' in general, at least so it seemed to me. I don't think anyone was being adversarial, so appreciate their discomfort.
I'm also one for a person being able to access any care that helps their well-being, & remain open to discussing this. Altho exercise can help with weight loss, this is often difficult for a considered 'overweight' person who happens to be disabled.
As @Luna51 identifies, & from what I remember reading some time ago, it can be difficult to reduce weight, as it seems a person may yo-yo back & forth from a certain weight, which seems to often be the normal way of things. Also I'm wholly with the holistic way of looking at things; you simply can't separate the mind & body, so the whole person needs support. The number of times I'd wished I could have a rheumatologist, neurologist, neurosurgeon & geneticist all in one room going over my problems, & that's just looking at the physical side of things!
All of our problems, both physical & mental, & both equally important, are what unites us as a disabled community.
Been typing this for a while & just saw your query about the BMJ paper @vikki66 - like yourself I can only see the abstract (don't think we have any Drs here), but did find this on the govt website:
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