The official 2024 budget discussion.

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  • Community_Scope
    Community_Scope Posts: 1,471 Empowering
    edited October 30

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  • Votadini
    Votadini Community member Posts: 49 Empowering
    edited October 30

    From the budget statement.

    "The government will set out reforms to health and disability
    benefits early in 2025."

  • TheManFromLondon
    TheManFromLondon Community member Posts: 382 Empowering
    edited October 30

    You are not correct. You refer to page 151 I understand. The welfare cap a limit on the amount that government can spend on certain social security benefits and tax credits.

    Source:

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/sn06852/

  • Votadini
    Votadini Community member Posts: 49 Empowering
    edited October 30

    Sorry Apple85 I responded to the wrong post. I was trying to point out that according to today's statement we'll be waiting until next year to hear from Kendall.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Community member Posts: 61,452 Championing
    edited October 30

    I've read through the whole thread a couple of times and I haven't seen anyone at all that's been rude to you. Am I missing something here?

  • TheManFromLondon
    TheManFromLondon Community member Posts: 382 Empowering
    edited October 30

    @stay_positive
    I also cant find who was rude, can you please clarify?

  • Albus_Scope
    Albus_Scope Posts: 8,000 Online Community Team
    edited October 30

    Ok folks, I can see that tensions are high and misunderstandings have happened. That's the perils of the written word unfortunately, but no one is at fault.

    Let's just draw a line under it now please and keep this discussion on track.

  • Urbenmyth
    Urbenmyth Community member Posts: 9 Contributor
    edited October 30

    No, it counts towards the welfare cap.

    The Benefits Cap is a limit on how much an individual can claim in benefits, which PIP doesn't count towards. The welfare cap is a limit on how much the DWP can spend on welfare in total in a given year, which PIP has always counted towards.

    Making PIP count towards the benefits cap would be a far bigger change, they wouldn't have been able to sneak it under the radar.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Community member Posts: 169 Empowering
    edited October 30

    Apple85, you nailed it exactly with this:

    "Kendall’s biggest problem isn’t ’encouraging’ disabled into work………….its persuading employers to take us on (and dwp can’t sanction employers with as much ease as claimants)"

    It's so much easier to target disabled people as the problem, but so long as they do that, there won't ever be a solution. There are a lot of disabled people not in work who would like to work, and a lot who are in insecure work like me, with no promise of any stability. There are also plenty of employers sidestepping employing disabled people, or just going through the motions via Disability Confident. Even those who want to employ more diversely don't have the tools to do it. It would be helpful if, instead of talking about mobilising disabled people into work, instead they started by creating an inclusive employment environment.

    All that said, it does LOOK as though they are thinking about access to work at least from a more positive angle (with respect to their scheme proposals). But as I said before, those kinds of schemes will be in cities, and where you live will determine your opportunities. Much as is the case now.

    (Note for anyone reading, of course, those people who cannot work should absolutely not be pushed into any of these programmes).

    I am not impressed with the bus cap changing, either. But that's another discussion.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Community member, Scope Member Posts: 2,362 Championing
    edited October 30

    lol i and every one on here will be long gone well before 20252 chuckle of the day thank you

    It was a typo, now corrected, followed by a joke about the date. Nothing rude.

  • stay_positive
    stay_positive Community member Posts: 345 Empowering

    I never said that about you , where do you get it from that i said you were insensitive? this is the problem with typing stuff it get twisted . I was explaining that the comment towards me from another poster was insensitive .

  • rebel11
    rebel11 Community member Posts: 1,664 Pioneering

    Reeves & Co. missed a 'trick'.

    There are companies out there that are 'flush' with cash.

    She could have hit the companies who are busy buying back their own shares.

    So weak, they could have borrowed against 'Great British Energy' (so essential borrowing from Google, Amazon etc cash pile), to raise billions, so a temporary sell off, then gradually buy back over several years as the economy grows.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Community member Posts: 408 Empowering
  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Community member Posts: 2,413 Championing
    edited October 30

    are you sure?

    if they are sticking to the tory plans then existing claimants won't be reassessed unless a major change of circumstances occurs.

  • Stellar
    Stellar Community member Posts: 166 Empowering

    Surprise surprise poor, sick and marginalised people are getting screwed over by neoliberals again. But remember, we got the Tories out lmao

  • whistles
    whistles Community member Posts: 1,779 Championing

    Moving people from esa to uc is a way to save money. They will carry on looking for ways to save money by making it harder to qualify for the lcwra for the new claimants.

    Isn't that why they brought in uc in the first place? To save money. To stop people claiming esa and being put in the support group.

  • whistles
    whistles Community member Posts: 1,779 Championing

    That's how I read it.

    It's usually changes that will impact new claimants.

    They are busy migrating people over to be done by the end of 2025. I wouldn't think we will see changes to the WCA before then as it will be chaos.