Not had migration letter yet

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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing

    If you do want to call someone to see if a migration letter has been sent, you should call Universal Credit, as that's where the letters come from, not ESA.

    UC insisted that my migration letter had been sent by ESA and that I'd ignored it.

    ESA have no record of that letter.

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 3,552 Championing
    edited January 11

    I may have been wrong about that. Seems to be happening more and more lately unfortunately. 🙁

    I have since seen some migration letters with HMRC at the top. So if you get tax credits your letter might come from there instead. And in that case, the ESA ones may come from ESA after all. All of the letters have a large Universal Credit logo at the top, which is what caused me to believe they were from UC rather than ESA.

    Did ESA confirm that they are sending the letters? Have you got yours through now?

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing
    edited January 11

    Understandable because they do like to muddy the waters..

    All benefits matters are managed by DWP - HMRC is to be merged with them but I can't tell you when.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,407 Championing
    edited January 11

    I thought you were already claiming UC and you've been claiming it for quite sometime, is that correct? If so when did your claim start? If it was before April 2023 then I wouldn't have expected you to have received a migration letter because managed migration didn't actually start to roll out until April 2023. See link.

    https://commonslibrary.parliament.uk/research-briefings/cbp-9984/#:~:text=Full%2Dscale%20managed%20migration%20started,and%20no%20other%20legacy%20benefits).

  • OverlyAnxious
    OverlyAnxious Online Community Member Posts: 3,552 Championing

    Tax credits were managed by HMRC. Tax is kept separate from other benefits.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,407 Championing

    I don't think HMRC are emerging with DWP. Tax credits are ending for everyone on 5th April 2025 and after this the only benefits HMRC are responsible for will be child benefit. Other than that it will be tax, which isn't a benefit and DWP are not responsible for.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing
    edited January 11

    Other agencies issue notification letters but they are generated by DWP action.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing

    poppy, I'm too tired to look it up but I don't imagine these things..

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,407 Championing
  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing
    edited January 11

    I thought you were already claiming UC and you've been claiming it for quite sometime

    That was the journal message I got from the DEA managing my UC claim - it supposedly came from ESA as the reason for not linking my claims. ESA confirmed one had not been sent.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing
    edited January 11

    All decisions relating to benefits begin with DWP notifications to those agencies who then send us a letter.

    Tax Credits Notices, P45s, Council Tax discounts and exemptions, Housing Benefit entitlement, Child Benefit entitlement is all determined by DWP.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,407 Championing

    That is not correct. The benefits you mentioned there are not related to DWP. P45's come from DWP if you've claimed a benefit such as New Style ESA/JSA or the old contributions based ESA/JSA.

    Tax credits and child benefit are HMRC. Housing benefit and council tax reduction and exemption are local Authority.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,076 Championing

    OOh Me too could spend all in a day no self control

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing

    P45's come from DWP if you've claimed a benefit such as New Style ESA/JSA or the old contributions based ESA/JSA.

    That's not correct. They are sent by HMRC.

    Entitlement to HB or CTR is determined by DWP as I said. It may be calculated at a local level (being local government) but all such decisions are determined by DWP.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,407 Championing
    edited January 12

    If you stop claiming ESA or JSA during the tax year, DWP will issue you with a form P45(U) or P45 (ESA) showing the sums paid to you by DWP during the tax year as well as income paid and tax deducted from previous jobs. You should give this to any new employer.

    https://www.litrg.org.uk/tax-nic/how-tax-collected/tax-state-benefits#:~:text=If%20you%20stop%20claiming%20ESA,this%20to%20any%20new%20employer.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing
    edited January 12

    That P45 is sent by HMRC on HMRC headed paper.

  • Holly_Scope
    Holly_Scope Posts: 631 Scope Online Community Coordinator

    I've just checked some physical paperwork I have access to. Yes, it's on letter headed HMRC paper, but it is sent by DWP along with a seperate letter from DWP. Same posting reference and return address on the envelopes (both DWP).

    It's the same when you receive one from an employer. Although it's a HMRC document, it's the employer who provide you with this.

    Hope this clarifies any confusion.

    Best wishes,

    Holly.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing
    edited January 12

    All decisions relating to benefits begin with DWP notifications to those agencies who then send us a letter.

    Tax Credits Notices, P45s, Council Tax discounts and exemptions, Housing Benefit entitlement, Child Benefit entitlement is all determined by DWP.

    It is all DWP is my point, not who sends the letters!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,120 Championing
    edited January 12

    Please also check what I've said about HMRC being merged with DWP.

  • poppy123456
    poppy123456 Online Community Member Posts: 63,407 Championing

    They are not all DWP. HMRC and a local Authority are not DWP. Where are you getting this information from, I'd be interested to know.