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  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    Oh now thier coming from diffrent angle still get sickeness benefit for 90 a week if they want this will it happen so they all been putting heads togeather after ellen cliffords victory everyday something new they do have the power to do this ?? Thinking this will push people into work

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    What does this mean nightcity read it but dont understand

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,283 Championing

    I don't fully either but a few here may be able to contribute to it.

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,283 Championing
  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Online Community Member Posts: 285 Empowering

    My cerebral palsy won't go away because I have less money! I agree. Since this has come from the Lords, this feels like a betrayal. There were many members of the Lords who were sympathetic to people on PIP.

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,283 Championing

    I know, I'm rather surprised and annoyed myself.

    thankfully I doubt this will go further, putting people such as yourself on a pittance during a cost of living crisis won't be easy to sell to many.

    luckily the sort you would see on the daily mail comments section and hiding behind a keyboard anonymously on twitter etc aren't typical in my experience.

    I live in a town which has until this last election always been conservative, I've lived here all my life and I've literally only ever met 3 people like them.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing
  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Online Community Member Posts: 285 Empowering

    I don't think so. It was suggested by the head of the committee. The head of the committee is a Tory. don't think everyone in the Lords will share his views.

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,283 Championing

    overall MOST the lords are actually compassionate.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,468 Championing
    edited January 24

    Nightcity, the letter published on 20th Jan came from the committee. It seems balanced Lab/Cons/Lib and cross-party members.

    Sir John Bird co-founder of The Big Issue was not remotely sympathetic towards benefit claimants when I heard him speak in the Lords a few years ago.

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,283 Championing

    I written to my MP asking her if this doesn't disappear if she'll vote against it.

    I think our lives are miserable enough.

    I don't know a single person who claims lcwra for extra money, they claim it because they're entitled to it to cover their genuine inability to support themselves in a job.

    these toffee nosed fools should be made to prove this ridiculous theory of theirs and not in just a tiny handful of rare cases.

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    Im thinking how different is from the wca cuts found unlawful ?? My thinking is if you unable to work it should be classed as a wage that you would get if you worked and didnt starmer get rid of a few lords and got otherson his side my rational mind is saying thier grasping at straws courts say cuts unlaw and he comes out with everyone should get the same so more cuts they must have been so angry after court case

  • Catherine21
    Catherine21 Posts: 3,889 Championing

    Oh thankyou ironside 1990 i hope your health is well

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,063 Championing

    thats a good idea all benefits classed as a wage then you would pay tax and national insurance on it save the country a fortune

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,468 Championing

    I don't like to get heavy but…

    courts say cuts unlaw - once again, the consultation was ruled unlawful not the proposals.

    so for example someone who is agoraphobic can refuse to visit a job centre - The Health Transformation Programme aims to 'help' a claimant with agoraphobia by inviting them into a job centre..

  • Nightcity
    Nightcity Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,283 Championing

    fair enough, but if the agoraphobic feels they aren't well enough any sanction etc would backfire.

    the DWP and jcp don't "help" anyone they destroy lives and then bury the suicide stats, and put people in the state that poor Catherine is often in.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Online Community Member, Scope Member Posts: 3,468 Championing
    edited January 25

    There's nothing fair about it. We've had 14 years of austerity and DWP failures.

    Labour has published reports well worth a read.