Labour doubles down on slashing billions from DWP's disability benefits bill

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  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Posts: 6,246 Championing

    I saw your other thread asking about Labour unions momentum would be the union

    Not me.

  • apple85
    apple85 Posts: 853 Championing

    is this referring to voice-coachgate?

    No Labour won’t get a second term at this rate - problem is that reform and a kemikaze led Tory party would up the cruelty and privatise the nhs & other dire stuff to boot

    Labour need to be persuaded that trying to cater to reforms audience alone is not a great tactic (Tory, reform and Labour are all fighting over the far right voter - and the centralist, moderate and left wing voters have basically been forgotten)

    Is it even possible for starmer to have an epiphany, fire the right wing ministers from their positions, change his advisers and change directions to more centralist politics?

    I mean I think many Labour backbenchers (and a couple of ministers) realise how things are are rapidly going downhill and if they keep to this current trajectory they won’t last till 2029 without the public backlashing louder for them to go than the unelected sunak

    I go back to your quote ‘the most dangerous ppl are those with nothing left to lose’ - if reeves/kendall implement even 50% of that nasty times piece last weekend then tens of thousands of disabled ppl would feel that desperate………..and I don’t think Labour have factored that in

    I’ve noticed on twitter disabled ppl understanding the seriousness of the situation and show a willingness to fight the dwp and labour head on - only organisation is missing, a focus point to relay around

    I can’t remember @Nightcity if you wanted to figure out a way to be able to step up your own keyboard ‘activism’ if that makes sense?

  • apple85
    apple85 Posts: 853 Championing

    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14370099/Minister-youngsters-days-work-stressful.html

    At what age do you stop being young? Serious question

    It would make sense for the dwp to focus on the younger generations - I’ve noticed that my parents generation is much tougher than my own and I don’t want to offend any of the under 29 year olds on this forum with my observations on generations younger than my own

    This is not me taking Kendall’s side (the sooner she goes the better) but I do worry that if the disabled community doesn’t become open to the possibility that there may be a small but sizable number of individuals who shouldn’t be claiming disability benefits then the dwp will have no problem casting the net and no caring who they catch & penalise as long as they meet their saving quota (although the likes of reeves sound like they don’t care who loses their awards as long as the quota is met)

    I still think the dwp would be wise to look into the new claimants from 2020 onwards as because of covid and f2f barely been carried out they haven’t been put under the same magnifier glass as long term claimants and the amount of claimants rising 50% in just 5yrs is massively rapid even when considering Covid (as even though covid disabled a lot of ppl it also ended the lives of many)

  • worried33
    worried33 Posts: 1,102 Championing

    Its pretty much war at this point.

    A BBC article suggests the reforms are centre of Labour's larger mission. It reminds us that when Reeve was in the job that Kendall now has she vowed to make Tory welfare reforms look like child's play, and that Labour MPs have contacted the BBC to say they believe there is gaming in the system, this is where I think Labour and Tories differ.

    Labour leadership have an ideology of being strongly anti sickness benefits. It started when they accused the Tories of using it to mask the unemployment figures, carried on with the introduction of ESA, and is now being progressed further again now.
    Whilst with the Tories its just they are ideologically obsessed with low taxes and small government, when benefits get in the way of that they attack it, but they do seem to hint at some sympathy now and then, which I have only ever seen from the type of Labour MPs who are getting purged from the party. As a example unless it was Corbyn, I dont think we would have ever seen cost of living payments from a Labour government.

    Under Labour, it was planned to reassess as low as every 3 months, and to kick a million of incapacity benefits altogether, I feel people keep needed to be reminded of this.

  • worried33
    worried33 Posts: 1,102 Championing
    edited February 2025

    Kendall is treating her disabled constituents the same way. He only got "any" reply likely because she is required to give him a response, otherwise would have been ghosted.
    What was Keir's response to Davey bringing that up?

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/iplayer/episode/m0027ss4/prime-ministers-questions-05022025 15 minutes in

    Keir didnt respond on Kendall specifically, as Davey brought the point up on Kendall as start of a second question on a different subject.

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Posts: 244 Empowering

    I voted for them blind then. Never again if they **** me over.

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Posts: 244 Empowering

    Work and Pensions Secretary says some people on benefits ‘taking the mickey’

    Now we are taking the mickey on top of everything else. What a joke!

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Posts: 244 Empowering
  • Zipz
    Zipz Posts: 4,347 Championing

    Has anybody see the Daily Telegraph this morning and has read the above reference to Starmer? Meanwhile, Liz Kendall is suggesting some claimants are "Taking the Mickey".

  • carbow32
    carbow32 Posts: 244 Empowering

    Just seen it in The Daily Mail .. we're taking the mickey I think she is taking the mickey

    How childish!

  • worried33
    worried33 Posts: 1,102 Championing

    I think her claims for second home expenses are taking the mickey.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Posts: 6,246 Championing

    Nightcity, the rules about who in addition to GP's could issue a 'fit note' - Med 3 Statement of Fitness to work - were changed in 2016 under the Welfare Reform and Work Act. This changed what was permissible under The Medical Evidence regulations.

    Conservative Peer's question asking whether there are plans to reform the 'fit note' (again) has been answered correctly but it's not the whole story, as ever.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Posts: 6,246 Championing

    Politics is the 'art' of lying.

  • stressed76
    stressed76 Posts: 97 Empowering

    Just read a bit on sky news about her itv interview, she does say people taking the mickey but in the context of as there always has been in the past people who take the mick, i think most of us know someone, i know i did. I tore a muscle in my spine & had problems walking & other things but was refused dla (going back a bit) a woman i knew who had back problems was out jogging every day & was awarded it & she said it was awarded for her back as she had no other health conditions. The problem is the number of people who take the mick is so small they are tarring us all with the same brush in the name of cost cutting because disabled lives don't matter to those in power

  • stressed76
    stressed76 Posts: 97 Empowering

    Argree, we have to pay for pur meals etc when we have worked (people who have been able too) but they get it paid for on top of the £80,000,

  • Ironside1990
    Ironside1990 Posts: 405 Pioneering

    I think she said that being in charge of the DWP is something that she's always wanted to do.

    I think she has ideas above her station and she needs reining in. Not everyone who lives on benefits is taking the mickey. She is not a very nice person at all, especially when it comes to disabled people. I bet she responds to residents of her constituency who aren't disabled. People who are disabled, she doesn't give the time of day!

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Posts: 6,246 Championing

    stressed, bear in mind that this PM has taken a massive pay cut to do the job! He is not doing it for the money.

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Posts: 6,246 Championing

    Maybe we should pick our next PM from the current lot?

    Any suggestions? 🤔

  • WhatThe
    WhatThe Posts: 6,246 Championing

    I don't think it's anyone's fault that I've struggled and had to manage with very little money.

    "The world doesn't owe you a living" I was always told.

  • Zipz
    Zipz Posts: 4,347 Championing

    @WhatThe Over the years, I haven't minded not having the things my peer group takes for granted. I got used to the terrible hurt caused by the loss of career goals and my hopes for a good future. I have always and continue to mind politicians' hate speech and the fear of what is to come to make life harder.