Labour doubles down on slashing billions from DWP's disability benefits bill
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I’ll respond in depth later if that’s okay
For now id like to clarify that I am very very very against the idea of PIP going means tested and I think if anything award amounts should be raised (or an in work element added on top of care and mobility elements) giving those disabled in work or just a decent pip award the option to ditch their uc award altogether
It’s certainly not my intent to throw the younger generation under the bus - I’m well aware they have the new pressures of social media and pressures from both the far right and far left (I wouldn’t want to go back to being a teenager today) - a couple of family members have worked in sixth form edition for over 20 years and I have a sibling who is over 10 years younger then myself so I’m very familiar with that generation in my pocket of the country but obviously my personal observations aren’t covering a far enough cross section - there are some of the Millennials & Generation Z that blow me away with their maturity and insight beyond their years, but there are also those that seem rather ‘delicate’ when compared to my own generation (where it seems very little pushes some of them ‘over the edge’ and life goals seem more ambitious but they don’t realise you need to start at the bottom)
also I had no intent throwing new 2020-2025 claimants under the bus. Covid disabled a huge amount of ppl (because Boris and co made mistakes over pandemic) and the nhs is in such a mess and mental health services so under funded that the last Tory government are the huge reason behind the hike in disabled claimants (also the cost of living forced many disabled in having to claim for the first time - as let’s be honest, if we could financially afford it what sane disabled person would chose to put themselves at the dwp mercy)I don’t have time to finish my train of thought now (family has just come over) but have any of the new 2020-2025 ever had a f2f assessment? - it’s much easier to control the narrative over the phone as body language/facial expressions can’t be taken into account and f2f assessments may actually aid some disabled argument - when I say the dwp should focus on the newbies I mean that everyone who’s never had a face to face assessment should have one and those of us with incurable lifelong conditions & disabilities that have had multiple assessments (f2f, phone and paper based) should be put on the back burner by the dwp imo
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Thing is Liz Kendall says one thing then puts out a more compassionate piece on the same coin. Labour have to stop this dog whistling to the more Conservative orientated News sites but they're doing this because their support is going to the Reform Party who are becoming a clear electoral threat to Labour.
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Remember her claims pre election about how disabled people would no longer be treated with disdain, since elected, she had to scrap a plan to send job centre staff to hospital wards, and now making claims like in that article.
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Exactly @Catherine21 Whatever the cuts, I'm unable to work. Too many areas of my body are affected and my mind's shot.
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I have reported GB News to Ofcom in the past and actually emailed one of their presenters.
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But in doing so they are pushing someone like. 4 decades of voting Labour to vote Reform at the next GE out of pure spite. If they make me 1p worse off than I am now it is exactly what I will do.
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"taking the mickey" what a way to put it. Was she bullied in the school playground and not got over it.
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On disability news service
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https://www.disabilitynewsservice.com/dwp-hides-updated-figures-on-life-threatening-errors-just-as-kendall-prepares-to-announce-cuts-and-reforms/
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@Nightcity do you follow the Good Law project? They have a petition going to have GBN shut down at the moment.
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I read the DNS article but won't go into detail, he was a paranoid schizophrenic and he lost his PIP entitlement? I'm not an expert but isn't paranoid schizophrenia is an extremely serious mental illness?
Yet certain sections of the media say that "mental illness is the new bad back" but they don't want us to know the harm the DWP has caused for many people, people who genuinely need that help.
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though on the bbc comments are very varied
I honestly don’t know which side of public opinion is going to be louder once reforms/cuts are officially announced
There are far to many online commentators supportive of huge cuts
issue is there’s not many articles being published by the major media sources that describes viewpoint from the disabled community (though I’ve read some disability journalists saying they’ve had problems selling their stories as disability is of ‘little public interest’What’s interesting is I never have read a journalist piece that’s balanced and considers both sides - the know argument on disability benefits is very black and white and prehaps there’d be more ppl stepping back and reevaluating views if they knew some of the gray
Is there an inspiring journalist in the scope forum - serious question?
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I recently tried to apply for pip and the things that were written in that report rejecting it have seriously affected me mentally, they use anything against you and outright lie and it’s crossed my mind to do a severe action I can’t come back from these past few days and acted on behaviours because I am in so much mental pain right now just to prove a point that I am sick enough. The papers I sent had all of this in them dating back 10 years that I used to do XYZ behaviour but apparently that’s not serious enough. If you can’t get treatment on the NHS and have no current input they’ll use that against you aswell as if that’s my fault that the NHS has abandoned me. I’m just taking the mickey though I guess. I think they want to push people to get them out the system so it’s one less bit of money to pay. Sorry to jump on your post and sorry if this is inappropriate to write here but it’s so bloody depressing.
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when you say that the number taking the mick is so small - I think everyone can agree that it’s a minority that try to gain advance in the welfare system and the majority of welfare claimants are doing everything above board.
But a minority of ppl could still add up to a large number of people
going by early 2024 stats - the number of ppl on incapacity benefits was 3.3million (that’s probably raised since)………1% of that is 33k claimants and 10% (still a pretty small minority though I’m not sure the percentage of ppl playing the system reaches as high up as 10% for either incapacity benefits or pip/dla - 5% max) would be 330k claimants
It would actually be good news if there was a large number playing the system or exaggerating the seriousness of their health/conditions - labour would be fully justified to go after these people fair and square and they would have less need to introduce cuts across the board
If everyone is on disability benefits is claiming for fair and valid reasons then that’s not great news in itself (if everyone contributed fairly to the £3b over 4 years the dwp currently have to claw back - then £3b divided evenly by the £3.3 million incapacity benefits that’s a £910 cut per claimant over 4 years so about £4.40 cut a week……………hang on a second, I’m just reading my maths and wouldn’t a 2-3 yrs freeze on all disability benefits net the treasury significantly more than the £3b and compared to all other recent ‘proposals’ published in the media the last 2 months I think it’s definitely a more swallowable option in comparison)
In the past when dwp have tightened criteria, the ‘mickey takers’ always manage to slip the net and it’s always the most vulnerable disabled claimants (with not a large support system or resources fighting in their corner, ‘it takes a village’ - those less able to fight with mr’s and tribunal) that end up being caught in the net………basically easy prey for the dwp - I don’t want to see that happen again (not because I’m worried about myself as I have a good village - I’m worried about those who have no one outside this forum)
But going back to my previous paragraph those calculations have really got me thinking:So the treasury and dwp are considering axing the support group/lcwra altogether (currently being awarded to 2.5million claimants)
The papers are reporting that claimants in this group would lose £5k a year (it’s actually £4990 but close enough) - £5k x 2.5million claimants would give the dwp £12.5billion a year saving on existing claimants (near to £40billion saving by the time of the next election)………and that’s before you add on the ‘savings’ from the upcoming ‘cost cutting exercise’ to the (as of Aug 2024) 4.3million in receipt of a dla or pip award
To summarise I think all this talk of getting disabled into work to better our health is codswallop as was reeves talk of finding ‘only’ £3b over 4 years - I don’t think this was ever about disabled being useful in society, this is solely about reeves making city workers (aka bankers and investors) happy and we are what? Acceptable collateral damage??
I know a lot of us on scope have very different views on the subject of politics, but that it’s in all of our best interests that reeves & Kendall lose their jobs (and labour get the message to get starmer to change tactics on the welfare system or oust him if he refuses - though less of you may agree with that part) - I for one am planning to be inspired by the stereotype of disabled being a ‘dead weight’ and be a stubborn anchor (for example many disabled ppl ‘mask’ their conditions and symptoms from society so not to be an inconvenience - which is exhausting and a full time job on its own……………prehaps regardless of whether we are in work or not we should stop masking or any type of conforming so we aren’t an inconvenience and see how well society functions then)I go back to thousands of disabled potentially being pushed to a situation of nothing left to lose………….more and more disabled online seem to be reaching their limit in the way they are treated - my saying of someone ‘going nuclear’ when no other option available is coming to mind (as well as taking someone down with me………I’d settle for polishing the hammer that hits the number in the coffin of certain ministers jobs)
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let’s not go crazy and consider reform at this point
Farage and co are only benefiting the same way labour did over the general election when voters strategically voted against the tories
Reform policies won’t just do harm to the disabled but also our families health (privatising nhs for example)
There’s around 4 years till the next ge is due in 2029…………….i think once labour backbenchers get closer to 2029 and/or feel like they will likely lose their seats they may not stay good little silent soldiers (plus I’m 50:50 if one of the more ambitious labour front benchers takes influence of sunak’s ‘backstabbing’ of Boris)
Politics is just a game to many career mp’s, and a ugly one at that!
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obviously PS is a v serious mental illness
But a question to all reading this that have issues with mental health
How many of you have ‘lashed out’ verbally and even physically when you feel you’ve been pushed too far and feel like you’re being backed into a corner & attacked
It’s basically fight or flight and many ppl with physical, physiological, mental or social disabled will hit that point (even though many of us are better bottling things up and ‘taking the hits’ compared to our abled counterparts’)
The substantial risk isn’t just to protect us, it is also there to protect others in society and labours push to get all disabled into work doesn’t just put our health in danger………………………
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Apparently I’ve been actively looking for work and doing all our child’s medical appointments alone dealing with the school doing xyz my partner rang them and said have you written the report about the right person? As I’m lucky that he does anything involving a phone or a conversation regarding our family which was the reason I’m applying for pip in the first place because I do require so much help. But according to this assessor I’m Mary Poppins because I use online banking and order delivery (conveniently missed out that I can’t answer the door to the flipping deliveries) It’s shocking you can’t get treatment on the NHS I once had a cbt therapist call me annoying because I didn’t understand a worksheet, you can’t get PIP on lies from ‘healthcare professionals’ so you can’t access private health care then you’ve got Liz Kendall telling us we’re taking the mickey I think she’s taking the mickey if I’m honest with you.
@apple85 I’ve got EUPD and I’ve been know to do some pretty insane things when I’m stressed like throwing myself and my head into things, throwing things in a rage and saying awful things which I’m not proud of when I’m seriously triggered. It’s been described as ‘0-100 in 2 seconds’ would people like me do out of character things in times of crisis? If we’re pushed into poverty and misery and have nothing to lose then who knows. Kendall and friends have a seriously warped misconception of how difficult and traumatising it is to get any kind of benefits I don’t know how she thinks anyones being signed off permanently sick because they find working a supermarket job a bit too much for them. Goodness gracious it makes you despair.
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I can never make the whole way through these types of videos (I’m happier with the typed word and a highlighter) but I know some of you excel in watching and report back
Sound like the last opportunity for labour to try and differ themselves from the tories before the publishing of the disability green paper
This starts from 9am on the 12th February (this coming Wednesday)
Of topic but does anyone else get the heebie-jeebies from Stephen timms? I’m probably being mean but there’s something about the guy that unnerves me
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I’m ashamed to admit about 20 years ago I felt like I was being verbally attacked into a corner, not allowed to escape and something in me snapped and I totally lost control and caused harm to that person physically. The thing is I’m generally a gentle individual that avoids conflict but the lack of control in my life (which the dwp dictates - as the money they provide and their rules are kind of like invisible chains) and it’s that lack of control that fills me with rage and I feel I have to shut myself away in my home from society and even my family to keep them safe as I never want to push so far to lash out physically ever again
And yes I do lash out verbally (constant masking and biting tongue when I’m around others is exhausting but I know it’s best to bottle things up and keep the peace - society tolerance of higher functioning isn’t high I’ve noticed…….people don’t like it when you ask questions and dare have a differing viewpoint) - I think the older I get the less patience I have and the more frustrated i get
I know it will never happen but prehaps the labour government should do some trials of minimum basic income in an area - take away the stress of the dwp controlling your whole life and you may actually get a few disabled that feel like they could give part time work a try
No more daft then many of the ideas labour and Tory ministers have come up with the past year…….surely there’s an mp out there with some common sense (probably why farage is so popular……..though he doesn’t have much common sense either and is manipulating supporters almost into a ‘cult’ following, not unlike trump and the maga movement - global politics need new blood from non politically trained individual who isn’t and multi millionaire imo)
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Someone needs to tell labour that real life should not be dystopian fiction
Looks like a way to get around it is to turn off your iCloud or stop automatic uploads of chat backups etc….
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