March 26th and Green Paper Mega Discussion (ITV leaks, etc)

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  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,931 Pioneering

    Echoed. I am very concerned for the young people I know who are leaving special education with autism couple with severe learning difficulties including Down Syndrome.

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 905 Championing

    These cuts are they happening straight away or do they have to go through parliament etc. Will court cases halt this if people or organisations contest this

  • Andi66
    Andi66 Online Community Member Posts: 905 Championing

    So those of us that yet to migrate over to uc , our money will be reduced is that what it means .

  • michael57
    michael57 Online Community Member Posts: 1,384 Championing

    does anyone actually know if these are the so called cuts that labour want to implement or the cuts that the conservatives would have wanted if still in power and have been leaked

  • charlie72
    charlie72 Online Community Member Posts: 149 Empowering

    Yes, well said, It's like living in some weird paralell universe ruled by inept bullies, with Starmer The Charmer the evil overlord, and Reeves & kendall the ugly sisters or witches, casying evil spells around their cauldrons. You can hear them now cackling and laughing about their new plans to destroy , humiliate, and kill off as many sick/disabled as possible. I honestly just try to laugh at them as much as possible, I agree with you the the Ellen Clifford case really annoyed them and this is vengeance for them losing the court case. They behave like little children throwing their toys out of the pram.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 673 Championing

    I totally agree . How backwards as a country would we be going if ppl were not supported if they became sick or disabled . Anyone healthy who thinks this is all ok should remember anyone can suddenly get a life changing condition.

  • Amaya_Ringo
    Amaya_Ringo Online Community Member Posts: 300 Pioneering

    I haven't really been keeping up with the latest news until today, as I've spent the last month dealing with a work restructure in which my job was at risk. Ironic, isn't it…they want disabled people in work, at the same time they make cuts which put disabled people with jobs at risk of being made redundant. Under Cameron the exact same thing happened and I lost my job then. Thankfully this was a better outcome, but it means I'm not up to date with the other existential threat you guys have been discussing.

    I don't think it matters what government is in power, welfare and disabled people in particular are easy targets.

    I don't claim ESA but I don't understand how you are going to incentivise someone to try and work when so many workplaces are not well adjusted or even willing to make adjustments. I am really lucky in that my manager is a absolute hero who fought tooth and nail to keep all of her team in jobs (and won) this past month (I am not the only ND member of staff working in the department, and we all still have jobs as of yesterday).

    Having always been on the "I can work, I'm trying to work, please employ me" side of the equation, it's hard to get and keep a job when you're disabled, unless the workplace mindset is also right. The reliance on interviews is a massive boundary for some, building accessibility for others, internalised ableism and ableist structures are still a problem. Until they change those things in the actual workplaces, then all they are doing is punishing people who are already being punished by the system.

    For the people who absolutely can't work, cutting the money is an equality issue, I'm sure someone would take that to court if it turns out to be true. Govt have to have a safety net for those people, it's ridiculous not to.

    My personal concern is around PIP, as it's a component of my independence. Having to go through appeal the last time definitely left trauma, it also impeded my employability in the field I wanted to go into, because it took up time I should have been doing other things to build what would have been a portfolio. Between that, and Cameron, and the recent restructure, it feels more to me like the govt are determined to make me unemployed. It's a fair cheek of them to then wax lyrical about the wonders of disabled people being in work.

    Side-note, but I think if Scope and other disabled charities had included disabled people already in work in their previous statements, it would have been less easy for the govt to target those unable to work. By not mentioning us and the fact we are defying all the odds to be in employment, they're just reinforcing the idea that disabled people are taking benefits because they don't want to work. In reality, disabled people on benefits are in work, looking for (but being prevented from being in) work, or unable to work. You can't change that situation by making cuts. You can only change it by protecting the first group's jobs, enabling the second group and supporting the third group to live dignified lives without constant worry or harassment.

    PIP fraud last year was zero. Disabled people are not the problem here.

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,076 Championing
    edited March 8

    Hi Albus

    I originally created the thread, but I noticed that you’ve renamed it, and the date is incorrectly listed as March 26th in both the new title and the body of your above text. The correct publication date, as I originally stated is 6 March 2025, not March 26th. I believe the title and text should accurately reflect this, as people may confuse it with the early Spring Forecast by Rachel Reeves, which is scheduled for 26 March 2025.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 981 Championing

    Nobody knows anything for sure. All the feather spitting isn't doing anyone any good. I refuse to worry about what may or may not come to pass.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 1,943 Championing

    A tiny glimmer of hope.

    Thank you for sharing.

  • luvpink
    luvpink Online Community Member Posts: 1,943 Championing

    Same here.

    Until there's official confirmation I am trying not to stress too much over what may or may not happen.

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,532 Championing

    Does anybody know which government legislation sets the rules for the annual PIP rise ?

  • Wibbles
    Wibbles Online Community Member Posts: 2,532 Championing
    edited March 9

    Where is the legislation that allows them to do this ?

    The Social Security Administration Act 1992, aligns increases with key economic indicators such as average weekly earnings and inflation.

    Therefore they can't just change the law because they WANT TO..

  • Zipz
    Zipz Online Community Member Posts: 1,931 Pioneering

    When do people anticipate an announcement from the Labour Front Bench? This coming Wednesday has been suggested on another thread for the launch of the Green Paper. Or will it be on 26th when Reeves makes her Spring Statement?

  • Ray212
    Ray212 Online Community Member Posts: 659 Empowering

    I am not so sure. I remember not so long ago when they suspended payment increases for UC or was it JSA at the time for 5 years or whatever it was

  • MW123
    MW123 Scope Member Posts: 1,076 Championing

    You're right that the Social Security Administration Act 1992 is a key piece of legislation, providing the framework for managing and uprating social security benefits, including PIP. However, it doesn't require benefits to be automatically increased in line with inflation every year. Instead, the Act grants the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions the authority to make regulations regarding uprating. This means there is discretion in deciding whether benefits should be uprated and by how much. Any changes to benefit rates must still be approved by Parliament.

    Most recent examples of the use of this discretion was when Parliament agreed the four-year benefit freeze from 2015 to 2020. During this period, most working-age benefits, including certain elements of Universal Credit, Child Benefit, and other allowances, were frozen at their 2015-2016 levels. As a result, their real value decreased over time as inflation rose.

    While the government has the power to make these decisions, they are still open to legal challenge if it's believed they are acting unlawfully (e.g., in breach of human rights legislation or if the decision-making process was flawed).

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 673 Championing

    I hope you’re right and they do back down. I read about here not answering the question of assessments. Isn’t this part of the reason Ellen Clifford won her case against the Tory’s green paper? So Labour thinks they can ignore it and it won’t go back to court

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