March 26th and Green Paper Mega Discussion (ITV leaks, etc)
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Hi Albus
I originally created the thread, but I noticed that you’ve renamed it, and the date is incorrectly listed as March 26th in both the new title and the body of your above text. The correct publication date, as I originally stated is 6 March 2025, not March 26th. I believe the title and text should accurately reflect this, as people may confuse it with the early Spring Forecast by Rachel Reeves, which is scheduled for 26 March 2025.
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Nobody knows anything for sure. All the feather spitting isn't doing anyone any good. I refuse to worry about what may or may not come to pass.
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A tiny glimmer of hope.
Thank you for sharing.
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Same here.
Until there's official confirmation I am trying not to stress too much over what may or may not happen.
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In the past ministers would try to hide it, but Liz Kendal admitted live on air she is breaking the law. Surprised the BBC did it. but they asked her live on BBC breakfast if she did a risk assessment, she refused to discuss it, they pushed a second time and she justified the lack of assessment by saying getting people back into work is more important (which in itself was proven a lie in the court case). She doesnt even have any remorse or a feeling of guilt. Just the pretence its about getting people into work as a coping mechanism. She was also visibly annoyed that the interview wasnt the direction she wanted.
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Does anybody know which government legislation sets the rules for the annual PIP rise ?
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Where is the legislation that allows them to do this ?
The Social Security Administration Act 1992, aligns increases with key economic indicators such as average weekly earnings and inflation.
Therefore they can't just change the law because they WANT TO..
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When do people anticipate an announcement from the Labour Front Bench? This coming Wednesday has been suggested on another thread for the launch of the Green Paper. Or will it be on 26th when Reeves makes her Spring Statement?
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I am not so sure. I remember not so long ago when they suspended payment increases for UC or was it JSA at the time for 5 years or whatever it was
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You're right that the Social Security Administration Act 1992 is a key piece of legislation, providing the framework for managing and uprating social security benefits, including PIP. However, it doesn't require benefits to be automatically increased in line with inflation every year. Instead, the Act grants the Secretary of State for Work and Pensions the authority to make regulations regarding uprating. This means there is discretion in deciding whether benefits should be uprated and by how much. Any changes to benefit rates must still be approved by Parliament.
Most recent examples of the use of this discretion was when Parliament agreed the four-year benefit freeze from 2015 to 2020. During this period, most working-age benefits, including certain elements of Universal Credit, Child Benefit, and other allowances, were frozen at their 2015-2016 levels. As a result, their real value decreased over time as inflation rose.
While the government has the power to make these decisions, they are still open to legal challenge if it's believed they are acting unlawfully (e.g., in breach of human rights legislation or if the decision-making process was flawed).
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Watching kendall on the BBC, she's visibly irritated & comes off callous, now obviously feeling the heat! After that performance, where she's admitted live on air no assessment has been carried out - no one can be in any doubt this isn't about 'helping' anyone it's purely a cash grab on the disabled. The backbenchers seem to be unhappy, John McDonnell is fighting to stop the cuts. This is all positive, her plans are falling apart before even finalised & released for public scrutiny.
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I hope you’re right and they do back down. I read about here not answering the question of assessments. Isn’t this part of the reason Ellen Clifford won her case against the Tory’s green paper? So Labour thinks they can ignore it and it won’t go back to court
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So it's been stated on the news that people who are unfit to work will have their UC cut but if you go into the category of 'looking for work', your UC will rise.
IIm absolutely disgusted, and due to the stress of this I have vomited through the night and my crohns has flared, I'm just out of hospital after major surgery and I have 4 major surgeries in the next 2 years....the stress is having an enormous impact on all of us .
WHERE THE HECK ARE THE DISABILITY CHARITIES ? THERE SHOULD BE UPROAR AND MAJOR PUSHBACK FROM THEM.....BUT....RADIO SILENCE.
I KNOW THAT JAMES TAYLOR FROM SCOPE HAS GIVEN HIS VIEW, BUT WE NEED MORE.
I NEVER ASKED FOR MY ILLNESSES OR DISABILITIES, BUT LABOUR HAVE OUTRIGHT SAID THEY WILL CUT THE BENEFITS OF THOSE UNABLE TO WORK.
WHY SHOULD WE BE PUNISHED FOR BEING SICK, DISABLED AND VULNERABLE ?
SURELY THIS IS AN EQUALITY AND HUMAN RIGHTS ISSUE....
SORRY IM RANTING....JUST SO STRESSED.
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To be fair this information was leaked early evening on Friday, it is now Sunday afternoon, I am sure formal responses will start coming out from tomorrow.
Gobsmacked that she admitted no assessment had been carried out, that's court challenge #1 then.
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^ Exactly! They've learned nothing from the Tory papers defeat. In any other job you'd be fired for such level of incompetence, its unreal! I really don't see them accomplishing anything this parliament - other than endless court battles & then being tossed out in 2029...
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if it wasn’t true surely there would be a denial by now ? Personally I think it was leaked to see what reaction it would get. Either that or someone who is on our side . The no assessment wasn’t that what Ellen Clifford won the judgement on regarding the Tory paper ?
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Please god 🙏
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these policies will never make it into law and will be significantly watered down while going through parliement.how can you admit your breaking the law and expect to get these proposals through?i don't think labour thought there would be such a backlash but i think this is only the beginning and the backlash will only intensify.having one of your own mps calling this out is great for us but very bad for labour and fair play to john mcdonnell for standing up for us and thank you.i wouldn't worry about these proposals because even if they try and force it through the courts will overturn them and the government will be having to make millions of back payments to people who are affected.i never thought thought that labour could ever be this bad but sadly this is the worst government that britains ever had the misfortune to see.
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I really hope you’re right . Thank you for being positive. It’s blatantly obvious that it’s a money saving exercise which the Tory tried and lost . I think they themselves leaked this information to see if there’s be a backlash. They’ve given themselves a few days to make changes and back down hopefully
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Yes Kimmy, I totally agree. I think this week we may start to have some official commentary.....we may even see the 'green paper' this week.
One thing I do know is.....the constant vilification and discrimination of the sick , vulnerable and disabled will continue.
I never asked to be ill......feeling very angry and 'lost' that our pittance will be cut further because we are too unwell to be in employment.
The hatred most of the political class have for the most vulnerable in society knows no bounds.
It's wicked and downright evil.
But I'm not going down without a fight !!!!
They've gone too far this time !!!!
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