Upcoming changes to benefits

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  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 888 Championing

    is @Kimmy87 around

    This guardian article is suggesting only the freeze on pip will require legislation

    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2025/mar/14/mps-warn-no-10-frontbenchers-could-quit-over-disability-benefits-plan

    ”They suggested any vote in parliament – only required for the Pip freeze – would lead to a significant rebellion and the threat of resignations.”

    ”The change most likely to trigger resignations would be freezing Pip, which would require primary legislation.”


    I am still right in thinking any other welfare cuts or tightening of criteria would also need to go through (most likely lengthy) legislation (though it was reported earlier in the week that ministers wanted to implement wca full reforms by this sept and after a 2 month consultation that would require legislation to be introduced and completed in 4 months to meet that sept 2025 target which sounds next to impossible unless legislation was never needed)

    I’m hoping the guardian either haven’t explained things well or they misunderstood the process (easy to understand- so much disinformation right now)

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor

    Well atleast my MP had the decency to be concerned I guess. I've just read it again when posting and the eligibility tightening sounds particularly callous

  • Becky93
    Becky93 Online Community Member Posts: 69 Empowering

    One thing, not sure if this has happened to others, but I was due for re-assessment for PIP, but recently they automatically awarded my PIP for another year, basically delaying the re-assessment. The cynic might claim they are delaying it, until they can change the criteria to try and say you aren't eligible. Albeit, I don't believe for a second they will get these changes through within a year either.

    It's also a warning to any idea that it will only apply to new claimants, they will always come after existing claimants in the end, even if that's the initial announcement, so everyone has to oppose this, even if you think it won't apply to you right now.

  • SM9346
    SM9346 Online Community Member Posts: 97 Contributor

    I’m now starting to think this was the plan all along. Get everyone off IR ESA for UC only to when you do move to UC you’ll lose it regardless.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 983 Championing

    There's every reason to expect citizens to work, but there has to be genuine help available, not just rhetoric. They are very good at the latter, with nothing to back it up.

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor

    So Reeves says ''Changing the fiscal rules would be breaking a promise to the people who voted Labour.''

    I would argue that it would be keeping a promise to the voters when they said they wouldn't return to austerity.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 983 Championing

    Jeremy Corbyn is an Independent MP, not Labour.

  • apple85
    apple85 Online Community Member Posts: 888 Championing

    I’m sorry

    That was a harsh post

    I just read the times article (the times are having a free to read weekend) and I persume they would have direct quotes from the dwp this close to the green paper launch)

    This article has just knocked me for ten if I’m honest

    It sounds like autistic ppl like myself may have our points totally wiped reassessment

    I’m really trying to stay calm till we can read the official text on Tuesday but it’s hard not to feel hopeless and I hope they’ll be other articles on Sunday saying there will be no way dwp/treasury will be allowed to go to these extremes.


    I know the idea of fighting back right now feeling impossible right now and these reforms may be the highest stake reforms many of us have encountered thus far and right now I just want to survive out of spite or take one of the political architects of these reforms down with me (if reeves or Kendall have indeed gone down this unthinkable path)

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 674 Championing

    does anyone know how long it would take to bring these changes in ? Will they need to go to a vote and will they be delayed by any court action ? This is even harsher than the Tory’s and they lost in court so how can this be legal

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 983 Championing

    HMG are to abolish the NHS England quango. Not the actual NHS. (It has only been around since 2012, part of the Lansley reforms).

  • HollisMcBobbery
    HollisMcBobbery Online Community Member Posts: 31 Contributor

    Everyone try to stay strong. I have a feeling there will be growing support. This will be the biggest rebellion issue they have faced and will gain alot more public attention going forward.

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 983 Championing

    Stay strong, Martin. You absolutely have worth.

    Look at the vastness of even our own unremarkable spiral galaxy - 200,000 light years across, and devoid of life as far as we know, except us.

    Each one of us is a bloomin' miracle. Try never to forget that. (A bit of a weird thing to say, but that's just me, also alone in this world).

  • Ranald
    Ranald Online Community Member Posts: 983 Championing
    edited March 15
  • worried33
    worried33 Online Community Member Posts: 902 Championing
    edited March 15

    It is looking more and more like what was proposed in the Tory consultation.

    They proposed removing the adaptations descriptors (2 points each), these include dressing, and washing and also include preparing food. My prediction was they would target descriptors mentioned in the Tory plans and quite possibly not even do another consultation as one has already been done.

    A lot of people it looks will be affected for both physical and mental needs, unless this gets watered down enough.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 674 Championing

    can this be challenged in court or will it be brought in quickly? Surely this goes against our human rights ? I’m really starting to wish rishi was still PM. Starmer and reeves are hateful.

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 674 Championing

    so if this is a green paper does that mean it’s at consultation stage ? The Tory’s at least posted questionnaires for us to fill out . Can this be watered down or be delayed if it goes to court ? I’m some reports I’m reading a pip freeze would need to go to a vote but not changing pip or lcwra amounts. It’s all worse than the Tory’s plans and they were defeated in court . Can they really force sick ppl to work or they lose benefits?

  • secretsquirrel1
    secretsquirrel1 Online Community Member Posts: 674 Championing

    so the green paper is what they’d hope to change but it could be watered down by the time it becomes a white paper? It seems so extreme could they get away with this ?

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