Upcoming changes to benefits
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It is looking more and more like what was proposed in the Tory consultation.
They proposed removing the adaptations descriptors (2 points each), these include dressing, and washing and also include preparing food. My prediction was they would target descriptors mentioned in the Tory plans and quite possibly not even do another consultation as one has already been done.
A lot of people it looks will be affected for both physical and mental needs, unless this gets watered down enough.0 -
can this be challenged in court or will it be brought in quickly? Surely this goes against our human rights ? I’m really starting to wish rishi was still PM. Starmer and reeves are hateful.
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so if this is a green paper does that mean it’s at consultation stage ? The Tory’s at least posted questionnaires for us to fill out . Can this be watered down or be delayed if it goes to court ? I’m some reports I’m reading a pip freeze would need to go to a vote but not changing pip or lcwra amounts. It’s all worse than the Tory’s plans and they were defeated in court . Can they really force sick ppl to work or they lose benefits?
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so the green paper is what they’d hope to change but it could be watered down by the time it becomes a white paper? It seems so extreme could they get away with this ?
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He's my MP I've emailed him before and his office replied. My partners mum has met him and says he's lovely. I'm heartened to see he said something.
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what about the echr surely we are protected there ? Do you think it will be this bad at the end of the day ? Literally leaving ppl destitute. Who do think will be caring for ppl , if we lose pip then carers have to work.
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On sky news it said that they maybe combining esa and jobseekers so people have to look for work
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so in effect denying we are sick or disabled . That can’t be legal surely
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I can’t remember who asked but — a Green paper is a consultation document — so it outlines the proposed policies, and then it goes out for consultation. Sometimes it’s to the wider public, sometimes it’s just to a specific group (like experts in that field.)
This is how bills pass through parliament:
- Green paper is announced and goes to consultation, as mentioned above
- White paper is a statement of policy and often follows a Green Paper — it’s just kind of a more definitive description of legislative proposals
- Then, once they’ve ironed out all their details, the bill goes to a First Reading in parliament. This isn’t a debate or anything, it’s just the govt introducing the bill
- The Second Reading is when it becomes a debate in parliament
- After this, it goes to a Committee stage, which is when a group of MPs (cross-party) get together and go through the bill in extreme detail, going clause by clause. They also have the opportunity to hear oral or written evidence (although they sometimes don’t)
- After the committee, there is the report stage. This is when the bill goes BACK to the Commons and is debated again. It’s immediately followed by the Third Reading. Both of these include debates between MPs.
- If it’s passed at this stage, it is sent to the House of Lords where it goes through the same process (readings, committee etc.)
- THEN, if it’s passed by both houses, it’s sent to
a real welfare scrounger living off taxpayers money, ahem, the monarch — so Charles now — for royal assent. Basically getting him to sign off on it, and then it can actually start being implemented.
I hope this made sense… I just woke up lol
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so how long are we looking at this all being processed in time ?
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hi it was me who asked . Thank you for replying. How long does that usually take and if it goes to court how long could it be delayed for ? I’ve hardly slept with worry .
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this government make me feel sick. Can guarantee now my PIP MR will be rejected. Now I’m worried about losing my LCWRA which keeps me just about able to feed and clothe myself. Last time I went into the job centre for an ID appointment I cried because I couldn’t even handle that, let alone look or prepare for work and face sanctions, all whilst starving because they’ll take away the money I use to buy a food shop.
It’s completely unforgivable I don’t even know what to say anymore I feel like giving up on life and I would have done a long time ago if I didn’t have children because what is the point in living a life when you’re constantly persecuted constantly pushed into having breakdowns, constantly judged, browbeaten and powerless. I hate this government they are complete irredeemable and evil1 -
Thanks for that. I actually think they may have trouble getting it through the Lords too if we protest enough. I wouldn’t put too much stock in the Times article. Sadly they are clickbaiters now too.The real people behind these kind of cuts are Starmer’s advisors IMO.. reptile eyed Paddy McFadden and Morgan McSweeney. Loyalty to no party but themselves.
Thing is, last week I spent 3 days trying to get a phone consultation from GP.. finally got one next week! How is a new changed round of assessments going to affect GP practises, how can you cut sickness benefits if the disabled cannot access a doctor quickly? Are we just going to drop in streets, be taken to A and E.. practically these changes don’t work. Labour think they are gaming the system when in fact their making it a logistical, walking through tar nightmare. Who are going to be the new super empathetic ‘local’work coaches? The existing DWP staff???? C’mon that’s laughable. Finally..most of us have been thoroughly assessed already by healthcare professionals for PIP/ LCWRA.. who is going to overturn these findings? It can’t just be a minion in a local job centre? At so many stages these ‘reforms’ don’t hold water.
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I can’t recall exactly off the top of my head, but I’ll look into it and get back to you!
Sending you a hug.. is there anything you can do that might help you relax a little?
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Does "legislation" even allow PIP rates to be frozen ?
Has anybody with legal experience checked this fact ?
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I did read , raynor, millaband, even kendell not happy.
It's starmer and reeves because of their failings. I'm terrified because I don't know if it's true, daily mail, that even people with autism adhd will be targeted. The point where you are prompted or reminded, using a microwave would get no points. My pip is for a number of years to go , I be retired by then. But with the copd and my joints got worse ,I haven't said because I was scared they would take it away if I told them I was worse.
This stress is causing my symptoms to get worse especially my copd, my coughing is bad at the moment
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I just want to give up. I claim (legacy) CB ESA and PIP. If I lose the Support Group/LCWRA addition, I'll lose capacity to pay the most basic living expenses. I might as well die now and the savings I have that prevent me from claiming anything means-tested will go to worthwhile charities.
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what about those of us who have carers , if we lose pip carers also have to look for work. So who takes over looking after ppl. They either haven’t thought of that or don’t care.
They haven’t mentioned mobility though as that obviously makes money for their friends. So disabled who need a car have to spend the amount they may get on a car with no care money.
This is far worse than the Tory’s proposed and that got found unlawful. How is this different. I just hope this is challenged in court . But how long can this be delayed for , is it something they can bring in quickly?
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thank you so much . I’ve been awake most of the night . This has brought back bad memories of my first pip assessment so I’ve crashed. I’m just going to try to relax but I know I’ll be obsessively looking for information. These cuts are so draconian it’s unbelievable that they can become law .
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@luvpink my pip is up for reassessment next year too.
Wish they left dla as it was,I was on indefinite after five assessments. So I'm with you on the dread and horror of it. I'd a paper based esa assessment last yr,every three yrs like clockwork.. five f2f then the past while paperbased. I guess that'll change too.
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