Upcoming changes to benefits
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There are some very interesting discussions from our folks in this thread … I have a daft question. Will all these be collectively reach the parliament through Scope—Apologies in advance if this question has been asked previously
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unless you intend to do so in martyr fashion (and I hope everyone on this forum see’s their individual life’s as having value and everyone has the right to survive and have quality of life (might make an exception for the truly evil ppl in the world))
Those in charge of this labour government would find it very convenient to their plans (the more disabled ppl that give up and accept gov proposals as ‘locked in fate’ the easier it will be for the gov to achieve their fully objective)
At the end of the day, in the words of Steve Roger’s - “I don’t like bullies” - and that may be what this green paper represents of its authors
And I still believe in karma (though it’s been overdue for years)
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Thanks so much for this. I saw Liz Kendall as very much a player in all of this but John Mc Donnell lays the blame solely at Reeves door? The BBC verify article yesterday claimed Reeves is literally worshipping at the altar of the OBR.. I’ll email cross party tomorrow methinks.
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About cutting LCRWA "extra":
https://neweconomics.org/2025/03/government-is-concealing-the-true-scale-of-benefit-cuts-for-ill-and-disabled-people
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Well, it took almost 5 years for them to move everyone over from ESA to UC. And of course this comes as no coincidence they are making these steps once everyone has moved over. I don't think everyone will be moved over until the end of this year, so I would assume that the cuts will come into effect from Spring 2026. I hope I'm wrong and it's longer of course.
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I just watched Starmer live press conference re Ukraine. A reporter from Politico threw in a question re PIP, can't remember what is was now sorry but interesting that it's at the forefront of his mind during such a press conference, good on him. Can't remember his name sorry. Starmer just gave his usual stock standard reply which I can't remember that either 🙄 probably because it was not memorable 🤔
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I did some maths, based on the following assumptions, my situation in 4 years time.
TP has eroded on UC so SDP gone.
25% reduction on LCWRA component. (the lowest amount, best case being considered)
Loss of PIP, as I believe my daily living descriptors will no longer be there.
LHA remains frozen.
My rent doesnt increase (I can wish)It is quite a swing, which shows how excessive it all is, I came up with a £360 short fall each month, this is with no subscription services, netflix etc, social tariff broadband, no deliveroo, just eats etc., no new clothes, furniture, or other household stuff, still buying food shopping at a level to avoid malnutrition but no treats. If keep PIP mobility, its not as bad but still a shortfall. So absolute poverty. The memories are coming back of when my sister had to do food shopping for me out of her own pocket.
I itemised all expenses and emailed to my MP, but my MP is involved in the changes and has never replied to a DWP policy related email.
Things like discretionary help with housing costs are not practical, they require you to already be in arrears, which means you as good as evicted already.
I think even keeping the PIP I had before it got increased, and losing TP, so no cuts, I actually would be close to break even. So even what seems like not a huge thing on its own like losing SDP is noticeable. I dont know how people without PIP (just LCWRA) have been managing.
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Yeah timing is important, waiting until its new legislation is too late. I think once its clearer whats happening, if it comes out in the green paper I might be in the nothing to lose category and be prepared to be a plaintiff. If I cant live anymore independently thats it for me.
What we have to bear in mind here is this policy change has cross party support, I also think the house of lords in general support it as well, when things get watered down is usually when there is enough opposition to risk losing a vote. But in this case both Labour and the Tories will be like for like on it. The Tories might possibly oppose the PIP freeze but that would be it. But even if they do remember Labour has a behemoth of a majority and the PIP freeze is like the icing on the cake, it isnt the filling.2 -
We'll just have to wait and see how we will be affected. The devil's in the detail.
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I think the freeze being unfrozen if that satisfies the Labour MP's they have been duped, the LCWRA deduction and the descriptor changes are the nastiest part of the changes. My expectation is that was there to provide a short term benefit for the OBR, as the PIP eligibility changes will take multiple years to filter through, and once the proper cuts via eligibility have progressed enough PIP would be unfrozen.
It feels like when we had the PIP consultation everyone was talking about vouchers (likely only put there as a distraction) instead of all the eligibility proposals.0 -
Thats my assumption as well, if they do it in 2025, then people not yet moved would get TP protection for multiple years. 2026 would save more money.
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I thought Labour would be the least worst compared to the Tories or Reform, I was wrong. Starmer and Co have lost the plot and clearly don't care. On this subject they make Reform look moderate.
There's method to Labour's madness if you look at the bill flying under the radar, the Euthanasia bill which is being watered down by the way.
I will be surprised if Labour win the next election, at worst a coalition with the lib dems.
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Have they said that autism won't feature in pip anymore. I get enhanced for mine .
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If the poorest constituencies in the country abandon them, Labour would be lucky to survive let alone win. This isn't just cruel and vindictive, it's electoral suicide.
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Thanks for this.. it dovetails with the amounts that the Joseph Rowntree foundation speculated although they did suggest it could be cut more gradually.Even over years (by28/29/30 )Not everyone on LCWRA is on PIP so difficult to understand how they’d cope. I think they’ll attempt a PIP freeze but won’t cut it.
My question is how they could even begin to do this quickly.. it would be chaos for families, impact rents,halt mobility, never mind food and essentials. Does anyone know how Reeves is thinking she can ‘fast forward’ changes to LCWRA, or is she on a hiding to nothing?
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I don't think they 'think' much at all. Hence the Green paper delay last week and the bizarre leak to The Times today. None of this seems even slightly thought through. Suspect that RR will actually end up implementing the tax rises she is so desperately trying to avoid and, quite possibly, become 'our first female ex-chancellor' sometime after that.
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So I've just read as well that the house of Lords econmic committee told kendell to cut welfare as its a priority. How dare they. They get £300 a day for doing nothing. Just sitting going to sleep.
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A 25% reduction on LCWRA component, is still higher than the old income related ESA. In fact they could get away with 45% cut and alot of people would be back to where we started. What I don't understand is why push though this change over if they were going to take the money back?
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It should be pointed out, come 21st March All remaining DLA claim in Scotland will be moved to new Scottish DLA. This is around 25'000 under the age of 60. These people will never be retested again and Scottish Government are not going to waste the money getting the same results.
Just to point out, ADP is just as bad as pip, the only big difference is the ADP office staff goes looking for your evidence, the backlog is awful.
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I’ve decided I’m going to email every MP in Scotland (all 57 of them.) Maybe pointless, but if even one
pro-mass murderpro-cuts politician reads it and thinks about it, that’s enough.I’ve written out one and I’m just going to copy it to all. I went VERY personal in it and talked about a lot of my difficulties, but I’m using a burner email of course. I hope that hearing someone’s personal experience makes them think a bit. I don’t expect responses but I feel like I HAVE to do something.
Is the Trussell Trust petition the main one? I’m going to post it all over Facebook and Instagram and urge everyone I know to sign and share it.3
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