Would you accept having your bank account checked?

2oldcodgers

Wibbles said:

honestjon said:

poppy123456 said:

@Tonawanda17 again, that’s the same as what we’ve been talking about here and we are over 10 pages into the thread. 

DWP can already access back accounts if they suspect fraud so nothing new there. 

I believe they are getting new powers including the power of arrest.
I wouldn't be happy with the dwp having extra powers such as this.
They are well known to regularly abuse the powers they already have.

IF it did ever happen - I would be more concerned about the contractors paid vast sums to carry out the arrests - because I cannot ever see DWP employees being directly involved .

I doubt it. All of the other government departments that have power of arrest have the police in attendance to carry out the arrest. The arrested is then either transported to police cells or in the case of HMRC direct to the nearest prison which I am fully aware of as my deceased father was a Collector of Taxes and once had the chairman of a premier football team arrested for failing to pay over tax. He was transported to Walton Prison, Liverpool and released only when the debt was paid in full.

WhatThe

2oldcodgers, you said: 
You just get paid it whether you need it or not.

That is simply not true. I need it and don't get it, like many others. Entitlement doesn't mean I get it.

Re Prime Ministers, they, like the Queen, used to receive Child Benefit for their many children... 
Now that it's means-tested (because people like the above didn't need a few extra quid), it's no longer a guaranteed source of income for the most impoverished. Welfare reform doesn't save money - it costs billions, generates business and puts the individual last. 

None of this has anything to do with my first point anyway - 
  
It doesn't help the rest of us when you tell the world you receive disability benefits you don't need  

WhatThe

woodbine,

Scope is about ALL of us and we don't all have the security of a pension and disability benefits!!!!!!!!!!

The welfare reforms already in operation are very scary for those of us affected by UC. There's no 'issue' for you but it's not other members you should be cross with. It's far more complicated than anything before it and we're only scratching the surface     

Tonawanda17

When it comes to checking account i don't think they'll be accessing individual accounts. The banks will report any dodgy activity to the dwp when will then take it further?

chiarieds

poppy123456 said:

2oldcodgers said:

In my case with our Pension Credit I am under instruction from the Pension Service to report ANY change in circumstances as regards the level of my income. They have warned me that if it is only 1p up or down I must report it along with the evidence.
Why? I pay tax on 5 private pensions on a monthly basis. Tax deductions can vary by up to 25p either way each month - that's just the system.
So I send monthly bank statements to show the movement of each pension.
I didn't believe them when they said that I had to report any change in net income of 1p or more/less!!  

What a strange coincidence, there was another member here last year that also said exactly the same. He hasn't been active for quite sometime now @racyguy

So many similarities it's uncanny. They 'both' even commented on 2 prime ministers getting disability benefits for their children. And then there was Sue78.....

Wibbles

Please ignore 

2oldcodgers

WhatThe said:

2oldcodgers, you said: 
You just get paid it whether you need it or not.

That is simply not true. I need it and don't get it, like many others. Entitlement doesn't mean I get it.

Re Prime Ministers, they, like the Queen, used to receive Child Benefit for their many children... 
Now that it's means-tested (because people like the above didn't need a few extra quid), it's no longer a guaranteed source of income for the most impoverished. Welfare reform doesn't save money - it costs billions, generates business and puts the individual last. 

None of this has anything to do with my first point anyway - 
  
It doesn't help the rest of us when you tell the world you receive disability benefits you don't need  

But the difference between you and I then is that I get it but don't need it? Maybe the answer is that ALL
benefits and welfare payments should be means tested. That would save a fortune for the government. And while I am thinking about it that would include the State Pension which is paid to many when they clearly don't need it.
What is saved by this scheme could be used to to pay others a guaranteed and universal wage if they earn less that say £15 an hour. 

michael57

ding dong round 12 these posts are revolving rather than evolving 

Lou67

@2oldcodgers
Here we go again you telling everybody you get that much money you do not need it so you give it away.
When a lot of our members are struggling to survive, I just think you are so insensitive.

I had written more but deleted as it would be removed.

Albus_Scope

Ok folks, let's make sure we're all staying civil please. 

I'm not pointing fingers at anyone, just a generic "let's all play nice please" 

Lou67

@Albus_Scope
Hi I hope your well. I’m sorry if you think my post wasn’t civil but I just feel so angry and sad.
 For all the people that struggle to even put a decent meal in their mouths or heating on and have to read someone’s giving their benefit away.

But I understand the forum so will be careful what I post. 

Albus_Scope

No, I understand @Lou67 and thanks for the apology, it's totally fine. I can just sense a fair bit of tension creeping in with the last page or so of posts.  I just wanted to give people a bit of a nudge.   

Tonawanda17

Hi, Does anyone have any more information or thoughts about whether the bank monitoring thing will happen? Thanks

Ralph

Surely all benefits need to be applied for and are reviewed regularly. So if you don’t need or want the benefits don’t apply for them and when they are reviewed don’t reapply. The rest of us need the money and have to jump through the hoops to receive them.

Ralph

Tonawanda17 said:

Hi, Does anyone have any more information or thoughts about whether the bank monitoring thing will happen? Thanks

It’s all speculation.

Tonawanda17

Thanks Ralph. It’s just when you see it in papers and that survey on the gov site you do think it’s going ahead. Thanks 

Rosie_Scope

We might know a bit more about the Government's plans after the Autumn Statement next Wednesday (22nd). The bank checks aren't currently confirmed, but stories have been going around the press discussing it as a possibility.

It's also worth saying that we are likely to have a change of government next year and even if the current government push forward with this policy or similar policies, it could be scrapped or changed by the new government. It's difficult to know either way and it doesn't make it any less stressful hearing about it, but just something to bear in mind. 

Tonawanda17

Hi Rosie. Are you saying it’s possible we might get a new government before it’s implemented? Let’s all vote labour. It’s time for change

Tonawanda17

Hi Nolan. What’s funny? I not a labour man. Cheers

Tonawanda17

Sorry i meant to say; are you not a labour man