Would you accept having your bank account checked?

2oldcodgers

letitbe said:

2oldcodgers said:

Not yet there isn't for the DWP but it is there for other departments. All that the government need do is to give all of the departments including the DWP the same powers that exist elsewhere.
Not having the need for the awarded benefit is really for another day.
I don't have any extra costs for my PIP Enhanced Care payment. Instead I help my children and grandchildren out knowing that they do have extra costs because of their disabilities. As for my Enhanced Mobility payment all of that goes towards the Motability car.

So you choose to help your children and grandchildren out with your pip money because you have no extra costs ………. that’s great ! 

If someone claiming the same decides a holiday is beneficial or maybe a new all spec MacBook Pro or like me buys from Amazon multiple times a week and online Sainsbury’s…….that’s my prerogative.  

I look at it in the way that I am helping others out instead of frivolously spending the money on myself.

poppy123456

letitbe said:

poppy123456 said:

letitbe said:

2oldcodgers said:

poppy123456 said:

2oldcodgers said:

Wibbles said:

Personal Independence Payment (PIP) is extra money to help you with everyday life if you've an illness, disability or mental health condition. 
So who decides what that actually means? 

No it's not given to you to help with every day life. It's an amount that is to be used to cover the extra costs that occur due to the disability. 

There’s no law what you can and can’t spend any benefits money on and this includes disability benefits. The only person that’s got the wrong idea here is you. Not everyone has extra costs because they are disabled but this doesn’t mean they are not entitled to disability benefits. 

Not yet there isn't for the DWP but it is there for other departments. All that the government need do is to give all of the departments including the DWP the same powers that exist elsewhere.
Not having the need for the awarded benefit is really for another day.
I don't have any extra costs for my PIP Enhanced Care payment. Instead I help my children and grandchildren out knowing that they do have extra costs because of their disabilities. As for my Enhanced Mobility payment all of that goes towards the Motability car.

So you choose to help your children and grandchildren out with your pip money because you have no extra costs ………. that’s great ! 

If someone claiming the same decides a holiday is beneficial or maybe a new all spec MacBook Pro or like me buys from Amazon multiple times a week and online Sainsbury’s…….that’s my prerogative.  

Yes indeed. It's an issue when we spend our money on things like holidays or computer equipment but it's ok if someone just "gives" their money away because they have no disability expenses. Yet argue that PIP is for the extra costs caused by a disability. Unbelievable!!

Yeah , seems really contradictory to me. 

 I hope this person isn’t scaremongering for the sake of it , a forum where a lot of us suffer anxiety would be massively inconsiderate. 

It does indeed seem that way. Of course it's fine for someone to frivolously give their money away but questions why people spend money on theirself. This topic of conversation has come up many times with the same person.

edit to add. Seems like to me that "the pot is calling the kettle black."

2oldcodgers

poppy123456 said: 

Yes indeed. It's an issue when we spend our money on things like holidays or computer equipment but it's ok if someone just "gives" their money away because they have no disability expenses. Yet argue that PIP is for the extra costs caused by a disability. Unbelievable!!

Some of my children/grandchildren are disabled but will never qualify for a disability benefit. In view of that at least someone is gaining help with my actions.
In my opinion it is better to help others than yourself.

2oldcodgers

MW123 said:

@2oldcodgers

Please consider the potential impact of your messages on the community as you express your personal viewpoints. I recommend reviewing the link below before making any further comments, as it seems your remarks have deviated from the main topic. The ongoing discussion is not related to bankruptcy, and understanding the information in the link is crucial for context.

https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/fighting-fraud-in-the-welfare-system/fighting-fraud-in-the-welfare-system--2

Noted. What I have tried to put out there is that these changes that are hoped for by the DWP already exist for many other government departments. It's not a new idea at all, it just is to give the DWP the same powers. 

2oldcodgers

letitbe said:

Yeah , seems really contradictory to me. 

 I hope this person isn’t scaremongering for the sake of it , a forum where a lot of us suffer anxiety would be massively inconsiderate. 

No it has never been my intention to scaremonger.
As for my comments being contradictory all I can say that for all of my life I have tried to help others besides myself. There is no way that I could stop the PIP money for care. There is no system in place where people like myself that have no extra care costs could stop that element.

I am happy in knowing that instead I am helping others with the money I don't need.  

WhatThe

2oldcodgers 

It doesn't help the rest of us when you tell the world you receive disability benefits you don't need 

Judging others from a place of safety or position of authority is all too easy 

poppy123456

2oldcodgers said:

letitbe said:

Yeah , seems really contradictory to me. 

 I hope this person isn’t scaremongering for the sake of it , a forum where a lot of us suffer anxiety would be massively inconsiderate. 

No it has never been my intention to scaremonger.
As for my comments being contradictory all I can say that for all of my life I have tried to help others besides myself. There is no way that I could stop the PIP money for care. There is no system in place where people like myself that have no extra care costs could stop that element.

I am happy in knowing that instead I am helping others with the money I don't need.  

Then why do you constantly tell others that PIP is to help with extra costs of having a disability? That they shouldn’t buy want they want with their money. When you have no extra costs yourself. 

I’m not talking about helping others, you are the benefit claimant and not any of your family members. 

You are always telling others that they shouldn’t do this, that or the other. Yet further down the line you’re doing exactly the same yourself. 

MW123

@letibe
How lovely I am very pleased for you. xx

Lou67

@letitbe
Oh that’s amazing well done.

Lou67

As for @2oldcodgers
Im actually sitting here shocked and absolutely disgusted that you have went on and on and on about people MISSPENDING their money, meanwhile you are giving your benefit away every 4 weeks.
I can’t believe you are admitting this on a public forum. I’m not sure if it’s arrogance or you see nothing wrong with this. 🤦‍♀️

Tonawanda17

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/05/benefit-fraud-bank-checks-autumn-statement-mel-stride/

Found this: also just speculation?

poppy123456

Tonawanda17 said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/05/benefit-fraud-bank-checks-autumn-statement-mel-stride/

Found this: also just speculation?

That’s exactly what this very thread is about. Yes…. Speculation, as we continue to advise you. 

WhatThe

If there's a loophole in the system then it won't help anyone waiting the extra seven years (maybe more) for the privilege of retirement with top-ups but no private pension   

Wibbles

Tonawanda17 said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/05/benefit-fraud-bank-checks-autumn-statement-mel-stride/

Found this: also just speculation?

That is not specifically "disability" benefits more "out of work" benefits.
More of a concern is BBC News - Welfare cuts worth billions planned by ministers

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-67385385

poppy123456

Wibbles said:

Tonawanda17 said:

https://www.telegraph.co.uk/politics/2023/11/05/benefit-fraud-bank-checks-autumn-statement-mel-stride/

Found this: also just speculation?

That is not specifically "disability" benefits more "out of work" benefits

The question wasn't asking about disability benefits. This thread is related to exactly what that link mentions. It's just that someone mentioned disability benefits in this thread and the conversation continued around that for part of the thread.

Roddy123

Although i have nothing to hide i do feel this is far to intrusive on our personal space.

Strawberry1

I agree with you @Roddy123 totally. 

Tonawanda17

Hi, i am posting on here just incase someone can help. Did post under a new topic a few days ago but nondoy knew the answer. I used to get the old incapacity benefit but can remember if i got income support along with it. Does anyone remember how much the income support part was if you got incapacity. I know this is an old one. Thanks?

poppy123456

Tonawanda17 said:

Hi, i am posting on here just incase someone can help. Did post under a new topic a few days ago but nondoy knew the answer. I used to get the old incapacity benefit but can remember if i got income support along with it. Does anyone remember how much the income support part was if you got incapacity. I know this is an old one. Thanks?

No one knew the answer? I did answer your question on your thread. See thread https://forum.scope.org.uk/discussion/90444/esa-confusion#latest

Income Support would not have been included in your IB payments. Income Support was a separate benefit which you would have needed to claim as a top up. How much you would have been entitled to would depend on your circumstances. 

IB was a contributions based benefit only.

Can I ask the reason why you’re asking these questions after 10 years of claiming ESA? 

poppy123456

@Tonawanda17 did you do as i advised and request the information DWP hold on you? You can do that here. https://secure.dwp.gov.uk/personal-information-request/name doing this will mean you'll get the answers you're asking. You can request the last 2 years of your IB claim but you'll need the dates for this.