Official thread: ‘Get Britain Working’ White Paper released Tuesday 26th November
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In my experience with the dwp it’s very black and white - either your too sick to work or do literally anything or it’s basically ‘you can do x so you are obviously healthy enough to full time work’
Yes and this was the original 'binary' argument used by IDS for his scheme to migrate claimants from incapacity benefits to ESA starting 2008.
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Kendall's contribution to Labour's 2015 Disability Manifesto should be revisited..
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So depressed with it all my dad ill he's given up he's tired he said he knows he won't be here long I have no siblings this will break me
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No just from observations really
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I think there are so many articles being written by the far right media and disablity activists that they all merge into one another and it’s very easy for mind to get warped by it all especially when you have trouble turning off and ignoring things.
On your comment that this labour government know making the disabled community is a bad decision - I’m not so sure
There are many of the public that see disabled as dead weight that don’t contribute anything and that welfare should be cut and disabled forced to work (though some of the same ppl contradict themselves by saying they don’t want to work in the some place as a disabled person) - basically red meat politics
I’m not sure there’s a way for labour to make both groups happy so may pick to (try and) make the group most likely to help them next GE in terms of votes ‘happy’
I’m not sure either the [removed by moderator - uncivil] right leaning public (those individuals believing the right wing press narrative on welfare and the disabled) or disabled community will ever be ‘happy’ with labours choices and starmer may have already lost voters from both groups - however financially the ‘easy’ option in terms of the gov saying money is to cut welfare and tighten criteria for awards (it shouldn’t be as it should weigh on the conscience - not sure many politicians have sleepless nights over disabled they’ve forced into poverty - esp as starmer only seems to value ‘working people’)
I really hope I’m wrong - but every couple of days we are getting new, harmful sound bites from dwp ministers such as Kendall, timms and mcgovern - I’m not sure what are the odds that none of them realise the damage and hurt they are causing with their constant stream of verbal ‘grenades’ and the amount of goodwill ‘currency’ they are wasting and are just obvious to it all (rather than being intended ‘targeting’)0 -
Let's please be careful with comments like the one I've had to edit please @apple85 remember the house rules, let's keep it civil.
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Also the silence is deafening I know labour is the better choice than reform and tories I know that I just thought things would have been a little bit easier under them and for me personally it feels suffocating not knowing which way to turn its the unknown and the uncertainty and I feel they been spoon feeding us bit by bit which is in my eyes extremely cruel
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Sorry to hear that @Catherine21 we're all here if you need us. ❤️
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I should edit that to “in my experience over the past 6-7 years” - during the Tory/lib dem coalition and before 10 years ago there was actually some flexibility in the dwp/jobcentre
There was disability specifically trained jobcentre advisers (they all got retrained as uc work coaches 4-6 years back and don’t cater to specific claimant needs) and they were more then happy (encouraged & didn’t threaten reassessment or sanctions if you wants to try and earn a little pocket money - there’s no way in hell you could get away with that in 2024)
Ironically it may be best for the jobcentres to go backwards then to ‘evolve’ (god knows what it will turn into) and over a decade ago there were a few good ideas which should of never been ditched
@WhatThe - I can’t tell if you are agreeing or disagreeing with me - it’s cool either way as everyone’s entitled to their own opinion0 -
sorry - would you be able to tell me what I said that wasn’t civil
Little puzzled on what might of got flagged up as you know the last thing I’d want is to be purposely offensive, especially if there’s a better way
Edit: really, that term? - I pride myself in being a polite person and I’m not into name calling for the sake of name calling, more for descriptive purposes if the shoe fits. (And honestly I didn’t want to discriminate against every right leaning as a few are more understanding once you explain the whole picture)
I know 2 wrongs don’t make a right but I’ve also been cautioned for comparing certain politicians to certain animals (as other descriptives would be rude) and after all the names disabled people get thrown in their direction surely we should be allowed to vent on a disability forum without OTT censoring
I do feel sometimes get my knuckles rapped by mods a little unfairly in comparison to other posts on scope forum I’ve read in the past that get no warnings and are left to slide (I don’t know if that’s because you know I’ll take the criticism on board and not everyone does?)
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Not a problem @apple85 I'll private message you in a moment.
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I'm so heartbroken seeing him scared confused he used to be such a character we had funny relationship over years but very close now just me and him
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In my experience with the dwp it’s very black and white - either your too sick to work or do literally anything or it’s basically ‘you can do x so you are obviously healthy enough to full time work’Yes and this was the original 'binary' argument used by IDS for his scheme to migrate claimants from incapacity benefits to ESA starting 2008.
We are absolutely on the same side (whatever we might think of Ed Davey😉) !
I didn't make clear that he used the binary argument again in 2015 to reverse the two ESA components into a single one for LCWRA.
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I believe that Kendall should personally register on this forum and answer questions personally. Of course she would never do that.
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What I don't understand is there is millions pounds unclaimed in benefits yearly reality is exactly what worried33 said just because they say it doesn't mean it's reality change criteria and your able to work it thier eyes the part that concerns me personally is they will be helping people with severe mental health are you kidding me that's why want all over to uc I'm not being negative just realistic an already system that is so hard to deal with made almost impossible fir MH I'm so tired of it all
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Also apparent they didn't read the book john pring wrote let's see how ellen clifford does Tomorrow sorry being negative feel so low
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I could do voluntary.
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I could dress up as a clown from IT j
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@Catherine21 You give me hope! 🤣
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Hhhhh oh got to laugh 😃
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